Has anyone got a clear definition of what class is. The ability of a horse to accelerate when called upon is the best I can come up with. Wouldn't anyone care to comment on how they measure class.

If Sunline raced in a picnic handicap, why would she win. Class is the simple answer. If she had the proverbial grandstand and bozo the clown on her back she still wins. Any comments. Bozo included.

[ This Message was edited by: manygeese on 2002-12-28 00:42 ]

Manygeese,

I asked this same question quite a long time ago in someone else's post.

For me, class is the consistency factor, that the horse is able to win and win and win etc etc etc. It is measured by past history, as this indicates if it won or not. And one of the best known factors to measure class is the prizemoney it has earned.

Just like Tennis players and Golf players and Race Car drivers and even Chess players.

Thanks Frying Pan
I see API as a good guide but have never been able to find a "non dinky" way of using it. I.E. one Api is 10 and another 9.5. Such is not grounds for saying the 10 beats the 9.5. Or you can limit selections to top four API but then the fifth one might just below the fourth. Then you get your one scoop of the pool horse in a big race and no other wins. This doesn't equal consistency.
At the moment I am multiplying overall race time by the time taken for the last 600 metres dividing by race distance/10. This gives a figure of around 200. I call this lengths and subtract the beaten margin and allow five lengths for each 200 metres of race length distance to todays race and also subtract 1 second from dead track times, 2 from slow and 3 from heavy. I only bet on 1100 and 1200 metre races and only use the top four of DAVOS ratings. From this you can see I am trying to bring pace in as a class factor in shorter distance races. I have been using it for a month and 25% strike rate showing a profit. Over the spring carnival is where I started to believe it could be sensible where it got horses like Empress Waltz, Rubitano, Planchet in Melbourne. Also Cosmic Rays and Yogi Editions interstate and a few others.
Perhaps jockey is the other class factor I am trying to factor in not sure. Any further thoughts.

[ This Message was edited by: manygeese on 2002-12-30 21:38 ]

Manygeese,

Yes you are right, just looking at the top four api sometimes doesn't find a winner. There are other factors to watch out for as you know.

http://www.propun.com.au/forums/vie...ic=2489&forum=7

Brave Chief made the post above about creating class ratings.

Ta for the link Frying Pan

regards

Manygeese

Without having total belief in the selection methodology that probably no-one is able to follow, this afternoon's selections are Flemington race 3 3 Lock the Key and Flemington R6 8 Sir Chuckle. Sir Chuckle presented the problem of sectional time not being available. Usually use 35s for this. Have a 201 standard for 1200 m and Sir Chuck scrapes in at just over 201 with 35s. Allowing that his sectional was probably better than 35s see what happens. For 1400m there is FL R4 4 Runs on ego and EF R6 H1 Leroys Magic. Am yet to wager over 1200 metres. Just a bit of fun with a calculator.

Best wishes
MG

No horses rated fast enough this afternoon.

11-Jan -03

CF R1 4 Appian Way

CF R2 2 She's My Baby

MP R4 1 Crest Of Gold

CF R6 5 Sir Chuckle

GC R6 4 Wagstaffe

RH R6 4 Scottish Pride

Selections for 18 11 2003 in TYMAS4 (throw your money away system 4.) These are doozies only ridden by a little old lady on Sundays.

CF R2 3 Danzerani

EF R3 9 Sliding Downhill

RA R5 8 Desert Brave

CF R6 1 Titanic Jack

best wishes from manygeese

Actually CF R6 should be no2 step ahead.


Also Tutelage became a winning selection with the late scr in Sydney. On the debit side, Ingres was an unnoticed selection before the scr. This punting, I dunno. Going back out to the shed

cheers Mg

MV R4 7 Azevedo

MV R6 5 Special Grange


Pretty good

Regards MG

wow

try these little beauties 25/01/2003

RH R3 1 Pearly Kings

RH R7 5 Burkina Miss

EF R7 1 Aggravation

RH R8 6 Poetic Papal

AS R5 2 Fireband

Just wait till Monday

DB R3 10 Cuphill

CF R6 9 SensationalSpot

CF R8 4 Golden Fawn

DB R8 2 Awesome Night

Get on early

4.20 MP R6 3 Super Elegant

4.30 RH R7 6 Clay Shaker

4.50 FL R8 13 River Dove

In just over half an hour the ledger is squared, no worries

EF R2 9 Prince Clang

RA R4 4 Poetic Papal

MP R7 5 Identifiable

CF R8 8 Oh So Fine

EF R7 6 Butch Weston

Due to a securities commission investigation these tips may not be available soon

RH R4 5 Blue Suttarb

EF R4 7 Canadian Courting

MP R6 13 Dama De Noche

RH R7 14 My Czech Chick

EF R7 1 Katenian

so far so good. Not in jail yet

CF R5 12 Blessum

RA R5 3 Snowland

RA R7 8 Fouardee

CF R8 2 Choisir


Wet tracks nothing

EF 6 1 Go Errol
CF 8 2 White Mist

This may be the end. The jury is out on whether multiplying sectional time by overall is a class indicator. Any thoughts

FL R6 6 Belle Du Jour

DB R6 2 Forever Amen

MP R7 8 For The Good Times

DB R8 4 Canadian Courting

Just wait till Monday. Its about 20 dollars up or 26 if a muck up one day had not of gone and happened. Thinking of leaving Davo for top 4 and going to the ratings on the Cyber horse virtual form guide. There free and would have picked up supers elegant and impressive in past weeks.
On the other hand am a bit sick of the multiplying.

FL R4 5 Dubai Ice

RA R7 8 Planchet

FL R7 1 Suit

EF R8 2 Kiss An Angel

Remember, the more you put on, the sooner you will be able to afford that trip to the rebuilt Baghdad. Which should be of some Note.

MV R2 6 Suzy Grey

MV 6 10 Yell

DB R4 10 The Ginza

DB R7 9 Janadi

CA R2 5 Dehero

CA 8 3 History Maker

This is last week tips. Was busy and would you believe it some good winners. I was not on. Sorry about the bad taste remark as well. Blix should still be in there for mine.

MP R5 10 Lowendale Road

RH R7 7 Presently

MP R7 2 Leta

MP R8 11 Taos Pleasure

got up early and did the multiplying. watch out for social glow r7 mp. Watch out for trucks when you cross the road

10 Lowendale Road

replaces scr mp r5 is it

sorry mis read a few figures

CF R6 4 Danzerani

CF R8 1 Belle Ball

these are the best bets ever