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Bhagwan 25th August 2011 06:14 AM

10 Block Staking plan
 
This plan will make a profit if you have a 22% SR with your method of selection so as long the selections are approx 3.25+

Bank needed 220 units.
Good for 80 bets.
Now if you cant pick some winners amongst this lot , have a look in the mirror & ask what am I doing in this game

Bet the first 10 races for 1 unit.

If after 10 races you are in profit , start from the beginning.

If we are behind, the next series of 10 bet is for 1.5 units .
Keep going win , lose or draw , until we are in front , then start again ect .

1.0 units x 10
1.5 units x 10
2.0 x 10
2.5 x10
3.0 x 10
3.5 x 10
4.0 x 10
4.5 x 10
Stop
80 bets
Cost 220 units.
Start again, if your game.

Win $3.60 & your 1% in front.

Do this multiple times & you will be laughing your as s off, over the week or month.

It works a treat because it can absorb 20 outs in a row , no problem, which is the downfall of most progressive staking plans.

In punting , there is always a run of wins followed by a run of outs.
The problem is is that we never know how long the outs will last.
That's what tears most staking plans apart.

More people lose money following staking plans than chasing winners at level stakes , that's why level stakes is so heavily advocated in most discussions about punting.

This plan tries to address this without having heart attacks along the way.
One will find that if the betting is broken down in sets of 10 , one will discover that where there is a horror run in the first 10 bets , it is usually followed by a good run in the next 10 bets .
If not, the 3 run of 10 bets will result in a bunch of winners close together & so on..

The objective is to try & show a profit in a series of bets , then start again.

If a profit is shown, say in the 3rd set of 10 bets but not enough to recover the losses prior to that , then repeat that set of 10 bets.

Have fun on the Punt
If its not that.
Seek help from some govt. approved official who doesn't give a Monkeys.

thorns 25th August 2011 10:41 AM

Would you consider using this for dutching multiple runners per race? Would be getting the $3.25+ divi, but a much higher strike rate.

partypooper 25th August 2011 12:16 PM

G'Day Bhags, I agree that block plan this maybe better on the palpitations, but and I'm afraid I'm going to be a "party-pooper" again, the nitty gritty is this:

Work this plan for a while , then when there has been heaps of bets do the following exercise:

Add up the TOTAL AMOUNT bet, divide it by the TOTAL no. of bets to give you your AVERAGE bets size,

Now apply that amount ( hypothetically) to the total winners and see what your return is........

You will find that the POT at the level stakes (if any) is exactly the same as with the staking plan "GUARANTEED"

moeee 25th August 2011 01:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
This plan will make a profit if you have a 22% SR with your method of selection so as long the selections are approx 3.25+



$3.25 is 30.77%

It makes sense to me what I have read numerous times.
NO System can make a Profit on a losing Game.
If you are picking 22% Winners , and they are only paying 30.77% , then that is not a Winning Game.

Good Luck with it anyway.

Bhagwan 25th August 2011 06:09 PM

I have used it & it makes good money.

It wont work if they all pay exactly $3.25

That is the min div, not the average.

Example.
10L x 1 unit = Loss -10
then
1.5L
1.5L
1.5L
1.5 x 3.70
1.5 x 3.70
1.5 x 3.70
1.5 x 3.90

O/L 20.50
Ret 22.50
Profit +2.00

+.90% increase on bank. Start again

+9.75% POT
4 from 17 = 23.5% SR

Level stakes =O/L 17
Ret 15
Loss -2
-11.76% LOT


Try it out on races with ,<=7 runners the first 2 favs & delete one of them using your favourite filter.
Only bet if 3.25 min can be had.
Easy.

You don't have to believe that a staking plan cant turn a negative into a positive, just because some one else told you so.
The same people will also tell you, that you cant win on the races.
So do you believe that also?

Just to prove it to yourself , start laying those selections & see what happens next.

moeee 25th August 2011 06:16 PM

Please stop the baiting. Moderator 3.

Bhagwan 25th August 2011 06:20 PM

Heres a Dutching staking plan.

Best to target <= 11 runner races where the race fav is 2.20+
These are usually dominated by the top 4 in the market.

Bet
10
15
20
25
30 ect

Repeat bet if successful race does not put us in front.

Restart once in profit.

Bhagwan 26th August 2011 04:51 AM

Off topic. Moderator 3.

Bhagwan 26th August 2011 04:55 AM

That's meant to read ...

"Some people" (Not "Most people")

moeee 26th August 2011 08:56 AM

Off topic. Moderator 3.

Chrome Prince 26th August 2011 09:19 AM

Someone who is unfortunately no longer with us, believed that he could stake the tipsters poll and win.
He published his nice results for a few years, until finally it went belly up.

These plans are fine for fun bets, and there's nothing wrong with fun bets, but ultimately you can't beat the house advantage unless the odds you get are better than the house is offering.

partypooper 26th August 2011 11:12 AM

Bhags, were not really bagging you mate (no pun intended) ,as you know despite what I said b4 I too have several cover to win plans,........ difference is that I know that I will have to be plain lucky to beat the book this way, but with the right breaks applied, breaking even is still ok for me.

I have a mate who grub staked his caravan business by backing no2 at Perth and no.3 in Melbourne (martingale), just so happened that every time he did it no2 (3) won at least once,........ pure unadulterated, "LUCK"

Bhagwan 26th August 2011 11:59 PM

No offence taken Party, you & Chrome are always a pleasant chaps.

One has to have a bit of a laugh when the subject of staking plans gets raised .

There is always one joker who starts salivating with rage whenever the topic comes up trying to en-site an argument by making personal condescending remarks.

Forget about the physics of life and the Universe and learn some basic manners.
You Sir, are trying to be just plain rude.
So show some decorum.
This is not in the spirit of this forum.

So please check your attitude at the door next time.

moeee 27th August 2011 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
There is always one joker who starts salivating with rage whenever the topic comes up trying to en-site an argument by making personal condescending remarks.



I take it you are referring to me!

I'm sorry if you are having a hard time getting success in your endeavours on the Punt.
All I can say is Ignorance is Bliss , and I wish you continued enjoyment in your Forum posts without any further input from me.

Cheers - Mo.

darkydog2002 27th August 2011 09:33 AM

Mooee,
Isn,t it time you toddled off and stopped annoying people who are successful on the punt and who contribute something for others.

Bhagwan 27th August 2011 09:57 AM

I believe you when you say "that all I can say".

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 05:01 AM

Results Sat 27 Aug

Using a simple selection plan.

9 wins from 52 races = 17% SR

Level stakes 29% POT

Using 10 Block staking plan +46% POT
Largest bet 1.5 units

Try Try Again 28th August 2011 10:52 AM

As a matter of interest Bhagwan, what was your "simple selection plan" that gave you these results?

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 04:27 PM

Results Sun 28th Aug.

Very ordinary day.

8 from 36 races SR 22%

Level stakes -10% LOT

10 Block Staking Plan +11% POT

moeee 28th August 2011 05:06 PM

It is all right to disagree and explain why you disagree. But personal flames like this are not acceptable. Take care. Moderator.

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 09:19 PM

Off topic. Moderator.

partypooper 29th August 2011 01:11 AM

Bhags, just as a matter of interest I decided to apply your staking plan to Shauns idea which has a S/R greater than 22% with a LOT but only just, I'm only half way through but I'm afraid its NOT looking good................. I will post the full result (1600 bets) very soon, and of course apply my nitty gritty level stakes formulae' to the equation.

The only thing that is not clear is the SP, are you saying that the bet is not struck if less than, er what was it $3.22 is available?

moeee 29th August 2011 07:58 AM

Everything in Life is built on basic principles.
They are called LAWS.
Break the LAW then suffer the consequences.
Some LAWS are annoying.
Especially the one what says "YOU CANNOT WIN UNLESS THE ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOUR".

A Staking plan can certainly improve a flat stake winning system , but it can't improve a Losing selection system - Long Term that is.

Bhagwan 29th August 2011 08:30 AM

The selection has to be $3.25 or more.

Otherwise , no bet that race.

The other positive side to this plan is that one can comfortable carry losses onto the next day without having any heart attacks.

Because it is geared for a run of 80 outs.

Just make sure your method has a 22%+ SR with min price of $3.25

This does not mean average price , for those who don't know the difference.

One should be able to pick some winners from 80 bets.

When was the last time you struck 80 outs in a row?

It can be done targeting top 2 favs then separate to 1 selection using any simple plan of separation.
Easy.

partypooper 29th August 2011 02:00 PM

Shucks, can't do it then as I didn't record the SP of the losers, so it would take too long. boooger!

Benny 2nd September 2011 05:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
The selection has to be $3.25 or more.

Otherwise , no bet that race.

The other positive side to this plan is that one can comfortable carry losses onto the next day without having any heart attacks.

Because it is geared for a run of 80 outs.

Just make sure your method has a 22%+ SR with min price of $3.25

This does not mean average price , for those who don't know the difference.

One should be able to pick some winners from 80 bets.

When was the last time you struck 80 outs in a row?

It can be done targeting top 2 favs then separate to 1 selection using any simple plan of separation.
Easy.


Would this work with any selection plan. I target races where the 1st 2 favs are $3.50+ and I can pick 6 out of 10 winners. How would your staking plan work with my selections.

Bhagwan 3rd September 2011 07:58 AM

Hi Benny,
It should work well if you can maintain a 60% SR like you have stated.

I am assuming you use other filters because the average SR for the 2 favs is generally 50%.

One could split the bet half & half or use a 60%/40% split which I feel would be the stronger option if prices have a gap between them.
e.g. 3.50 & 5.00
$10 bet on race
60% of bet on 3.50 x 6.00 = Ret 21.00
40% of bet on 5.00 x 4.00 = Ret 20.00

That idea of yours usually works best in fields of <=11 runners.
The smaller the field the greater the chance of the 2 favs of getting up.
The trick is trying to secure the fav at $3.50, do that & your laughing like a Hyena.

Any more & you will experience days with runs of 8-9 outs in a row.
On a regular basis.

Generally, one would like to see those 2 selections narrowed down to one, if that can be successfully done, at least 50% of the time.
SR would then be 30% thus returning greater profit if things go our way.

Maybe you would like to get back to us if you have invented a simple plan to successfully separate them 50%+ of the time.

I can see backing 2 runners a race would be a lot more fun than backing just 1 runner a race.

Bhagwan 3rd September 2011 08:00 AM

That's meant to read ...

Any more than 11 runners in the field & one will experience runs of outs of 8-9 in a row on a regular basis.


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