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marksto2 26th August 2011 06:28 PM

Who Bets On Last Start Winners Only?
 
I am thinking of doing this as the strike rate and profit can be good if selective.

Anyone else just back last start winners at certain tracks or as a unique strategy?

Chrome Prince 26th August 2011 06:43 PM

Yes, do pretty well on last start winners within 7 days, as long as they firm in the betting.
Very high strike rate.

marksto2 27th August 2011 09:02 AM

Thats interesting Chrome Prince.

By the way. What do you find the most accurate pre post market to be? Daily Tel or Syd Morn Her? Any thoughts as so many morning line markets seem to be different.

Bhagwan 27th August 2011 10:11 AM

I found last start winners perform well in 1000m exactly.

Taking the first one one comes to going down the list.

If no last start winners in that 1000m race

Then look for the ones that ran 2nd last start.

Ignore resumers.

Chrome Prince 27th August 2011 11:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by marksto2
Thats interesting Chrome Prince.

By the way. What do you find the most accurate pre post market to be? Daily Tel or Syd Morn Her? Any thoughts as so many morning line markets seem to be different.


I don't use prepost markets at all myself.
I use the bookies track prices to determine bets.

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 01:43 AM

The SR ends up being the same, no matter what pre-pot market you use, over 100 races.

So just use any one of them.

The online racingandsports is just as good as the newspapers & they take out the scratchings for you.

If you wish to re-frame the market percentage, then use the market re-framer as seen on Ozracingtools

An interesting observation is that if one where to back the first 5 in the pre-post, same amount on each , level stakes.

It only looses -5% LOT.

Which is less than backing the Fav outright, which looses approx -10% at level stakes.

So all you have to do is successfully delete one runner out of the five horses & you would then be in profit over 100 races.

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 04:22 AM

Just for interest sake.
These are the results for Sat 27 Aug.

RULES
<=1010m
Delete any odds on fav races. (<=2.00)

Won LS , first one we come to , working from top down list of runners.

If no LSW then target LS 2nds.

Delete resumers.

3 winners from 5 selections
6.40 + 8.80 + 4.80

Ret 20.00
O/L 5.00
Prof + 15.00

darkydog2002 28th August 2011 12:23 PM

Bgahwan,
Is that for ALL track conditions.
Cheers
darky

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 04:55 PM

Yes

marksto2 28th August 2011 07:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
The SR ends up being the same, no matter what pre-pot market you use, over 100 races.

So just use any one of them.

The online racingandsports is just as good as the newspapers & they take out the scratchings for you.

If you wish to re-frame the market percentage, then use the market re-framer as seen on Ozracingtools

An interesting observation is that if one where to back the first 5 in the pre-post, same amount on each , level stakes.

It only looses -5% LOT.

Which is less than backing the Fav outright, which looses approx -10% at level stakes.

So all you have to do is successfully delete one runner out of the five horses & you would then be in profit over 100 races.
Good stats Bhagwan. Maybe you could just dutch bet leaving the favourite out the other horses and a staking plan like Money Factory? This would turn a loss into a profit at these small POT loss figures you quoted.

Bhagwan 28th August 2011 08:28 PM

Maybe so.

Can you say how the Money Factory staking plan gos?

Maybe give an example.

marksto2 29th August 2011 05:37 PM

Divisor plan. Add losses to target and reduce target by odds when winner is hit. Reset after a profit on series.

Target Div Bet
20 5 4

The Ocho 30th August 2011 06:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
Just for interest sake.
These are the results for Sat 27 Aug.

RULES
<=1010m
Delete any odds on fav races. (<=2.00)

Won LS , first one we come to , working from top down list of runners.

If no LSW then target LS 2nds.

Delete resumers.

3 winners from 5 selections
6.40 + 8.80 + 4.80

Ret 20.00
O/L 5.00
Prof + 15.00


Yeah, really good "system" :rolleyes:

No wins from yesterday and today's selections.

It's good for you to put up these systems but is there any chance in telling us exactly what strike rate and LOSS you have with it (and I don't mean over 100 bets) but more like 1000+ bets?

Anything can work over 1 day!

Chrome Prince 30th August 2011 11:07 PM

Don't know about Bhagwan's filters, but I've had very good and consistent results taking Betfair SP on Last start winners within 7 days that FIRMED in betting on track.
I use Betchoice track odds to determine bets.

Bhagwan 30th August 2011 11:08 PM

I'm sorry , did someone promise you winners every day?
Tell us who you spoke to & our customer service support team will track them down & cut their lying tongue from their miserable head & mail it to you.

Meanwhile.

We are fully prepared for you to spend the time doing the research manually.
Take time off work, tell them we said it's OK.

Tues Results.
1 win from 6
Div $6.70 uniTAB
+.70 profit

The Ocho 31st August 2011 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
I'm sorry , did someone promise you winners every day?
Tell us who you spoke to & our customer service support team will track them down & cut their lying tongue from their miserable head & mail it to you.

Meanwhile.

We are fully prepared for you to spend the time doing the research manually.
Take time off work, tell them we said it's OK.

Tues Results.
1 win from 6
Div $6.70 uniTAB
+.70 profit


There were only 4 matching bets from yesterday and only 1 of them were placed for a 3rd.

Please list the 6 you are talking about.

Bhagwan 31st August 2011 08:21 AM

Here we go Sir, just for you.

Pakenham 4/7
$6.70

Our customer service team is here to help it's customers.

Even the terse, cranky ones.

Our collections department tell us that they have not received your manual back testing of 1,000 races .
To avoid any further implications , we respectfully request you put forward immediately.

We look forward to your compliance with this matter.

Have a pleasant day.

The Ocho 31st August 2011 01:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
Just for interest sake.
These are the results for Sat 27 Aug.

RULES
<=1010m
Delete any odds on fav races. (<=2.00)

Won LS , first one we come to , working from top down list of runners.

If no LSW then target LS 2nds.

Delete resumers.

3 winners from 5 selections
6.40 + 8.80 + 4.80

Ret 20.00
O/L 5.00
Prof + 15.00

Alright, It seems the stories changed and now you're using maiden races where of course the following would not be found "Won LS , first one we come to , working from top down list of runners" as they are maiden races.

I took it that obviously you wouldn't be looking at maiden races as they have obviously not won last start but you have now changed the playing field since your previous mention of this "system" on another thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
This simple plan throws up a quite a number of winners at good prices.

Target 1000m exactly.

Must be last start winner working from top down.

Ignore resumers.

No races where there is a odds- on fav in race. (<=2.00)


There is no mention there of horses coming 2nd last start.

What I'm trying to say is that anyone can mention any "system" they like but without proof then how would anyone know if it's a winner or not.

darkydog2002 31st August 2011 03:59 PM

Top day today Baghwan.with your 1000 M races.
2/4 $5.25 and $6
POT 281.25

Cheers
darky

Bhagwan 31st August 2011 09:12 PM

2 from 4 today
$5.30
$4.60

Total 9.90
O/L...4.00
prof +5.90

darkydog2002 1st September 2011 07:54 AM

Definitely one to add to the "Spot Plays.

darkydog2002 1st September 2011 12:29 PM

Off to a good start.
S .Coast
Race 1 H 5 Won @ $27.40 Unitab.

Hmm Bgahwan.Why wasnt I told?

Cheers
darky

darkydog2002 1st September 2011 01:41 PM

Oops.Sorry.Wrong Thread.

Cheers
darky

Try Try Again 1st September 2011 01:45 PM

Hi Darkydog2000 & Bhagwan,

How could that winner pay so much?

It was the only horse in the field placed last start (2nd). 4 horses had a 0 against their name last start, 2 had a 9th last start (one first up), 2 had a 5th last start (one first up) and a first starter.

It makes you wonder!

darkydog2002 1st September 2011 02:05 PM

Try. Pure luck.
Cheers
darky

darkydog2002 1st September 2011 02:11 PM

Try.
I,m going to test it for September using the 10 Block Staking plan eliminating any under $3.25. $1000 bank and 1st bet $10

Also with the 6 Point divisor plan.
Target $100 Bank $1000 (Same - Minimum $3.25 )

Be interesting and gives me something to do.

Cheers
darky

Bhagwan 1st September 2011 11:28 PM

Welcome to short sprint racing ,where there are often anomalies like this & it often does not make sense.

Like odds on shots that have never had a start before & the second Fav with questionable form is 8.00 & wins.

Bhagwan 1st September 2011 11:37 PM

Hmm Bgahwan.Why wasnt I told?

You were told my friend, remember? , thats how you got the selection in the first place.

Bhagwan 1st September 2011 11:42 PM

Hi Try,
Welcome to the world of short distance sprint racing where such anomalies pop

up quite often.


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