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darkydog2002 19th January 2012 04:20 PM

The Champions System.(Made up in 5 minutes)
 
Win % = 70 +

Minimum of 10 Career starts

Last Start exactly 7 Days ago

LS Placing = 1 - 4

Price Today $3 - $10

On Pace Runner

Cheers
darky

OM SHARNTEE 19th January 2012 04:56 PM

Hi darkydog2002

Quote (Made up in 5 minutes)

But you will be waiting 5 months for a bet!!!

Cheers

darkydog2002 19th January 2012 05:19 PM

Probably..
Might be longer if I restrict it to 4 YO geldings.
Wonder whether anyone with a data base will check it.?
Cheers
darky

aussielongboat 19th January 2012 06:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkydog2002
Probably..
Might be longer if I restrict it to 4 YO geldings.
Wonder whether anyone with a data base will check it.?
Cheers
darky


who are you looking for ?

kingston town mark 2

aussielongboat 19th January 2012 07:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkydog2002
Probably..
Might be longer if I restrict it to 4 YO geldings.
Wonder whether anyone with a data base will check it.?
Cheers
darky



over 12 months for just about all Tattsbet gallops meetings - Aus and OS
selections 213
winners 33
win retn 173
plcs 88
pls retn 183

thus looses about 15%

if you open up the SP you get
selections 393
winners 48
win retn 266
plcs 131
pls retn 317

thus looses about 20%

darkydog2002 19th January 2012 07:36 PM

Woeful eh.?
Thanks
darky

enjay 19th January 2012 08:32 PM

Hi Aussielongboat.

Your bets must have all been overseas.

Using these rules.

DD.TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 10 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7
Last Start Finish Pos: 1 - 4
SP Price: 3.0 - 10.0 NOT CONCERNED WITH ON PACE RUNNER>

My Australian database back to Jan 2010 shows no bets at all..??

Even these rules show no results.
DD TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 10 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7

Using these rules
DD TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 1 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7
Shows only 12 bets for one win - loss of 87%.


Enjay

norisk 19th January 2012 09:14 PM

Lay systems galore from the looks of it;)

aussielongboat 20th January 2012 08:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by enjay
Hi Aussielongboat.

Your bets must have all been overseas.

Using these rules.

DD.TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 10 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7
Last Start Finish Pos: 1 - 4
SP Price: 3.0 - 10.0 NOT CONCERNED WITH ON PACE RUNNER>

My Australian database back to Jan 2010 shows no bets at all..??

Even these rules show no results.
DD TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 10 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7

Using these rules
DD TEST
Horse Win %: 70 - 100
Career Starts: 1 - 999
Days to Last Start: 7 - 7
Shows only 12 bets for one win - loss of 87%.


Enjay


yeah - you are right - i actually did min 7 wins and min 10 starts
so the win % may be quite low.
70% SR gave us nothing - like you said.
i overlooked clarifying that in my response.
IMHO these obvious " banker" systems always lose because the animal is over-bet.
not worth separating on pace runners - or as i said we would be waiting for kingston town to get up from the grave to qualify

cheers
aussie

darkydog2002 20th January 2012 10:21 AM

Yep.Bin this idea or sell it to Bazza eh Norm.
Cheers
darky

aussielongboat 22nd January 2012 05:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkydog2002
Yep.Bin this idea or sell it to Bazza eh Norm.
Cheers
darky

bin

Barny 23rd January 2012 11:41 AM

The issue I see with this system is that you pick up the Weekend Husslers and Here De Angels of this world, and a truck load of more recent nags who's names escape me. Those that have won a bucketload of races early on but haven't gone on with it. I would flick the 1 - 4 last start and go for last start winner and something like one or two wins this campaign. There are a heap of nags who win 6 from their first seven or thereabouts and do little afterwards. I know this because I follow a Win% system and have a filter that gives these types the flick.

IT IS amazing how many nags win plenty in their first 6 or 7 runs then ..... nought !!!!

My pleasure ...... please send unmarked notes in a brown envelope to IM A GENIARSE, PO BOX 389, CAMERON(S) CORNER (the S is optional and you would know that if you've been there!)

aussielongboat 23rd January 2012 11:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barny
The issue I see with this system is that you pick up the Weekend Husslers and Here De Angels of this world, and a truck load of more recent nags who's names escape me. Those that have won a bucketload of races early on but haven't gone on with it. I would flick the 1 - 4 last start and go for last start winner and something like one or two wins this campaign. There are a heap of nags who win 6 from their first seven or thereabouts and do little afterwards. I know this because I follow a Win% system and have a filter that gives these types the flick.

IT IS amazing how many nags win plenty in their first 6 or 7 runs then ..... nought !!!!

My pleasure ...... please send unmarked notes in a brown envelope to IM A GENIARSE, PO BOX 389, CAMERON(S) CORNER (the S is optional and you would know that if you've been there!)


in reality it doesnt become a problem because there are no almost selections
or at least none that I can see.

cheers
aussie

Barny 23rd January 2012 11:53 AM

yeah aussielongboat, 7 days last start must restrict it to nought selections.

Chrome Prince 23rd January 2012 11:55 AM

Barny and that's the reason I steer away from the up and comers, the 2YO and 3YO champs.
Only a small percentage go on with it.

Barny 24th January 2012 09:16 AM

Hi Chrome Prince, I follow a system based on a fairly high Win% base, and it takes a heck of a lot of losing runs to eliminate a horse that's won say 6 out of it's first seven. As you say, most don't go on with it. That's my experience too. Get rid of them straight away and you're saving yourself a lot of "under priced" losing bets. Also get rid of them from the database that you're using to analyse your system because having Black Caviar and Sepoy in there will give you a great strike rate, and show a lot of promise ..... but there's no sense to it.

darkydog2002 24th January 2012 09:26 AM

Although its a dud system I,d immediately dump last start winners as the 14 % win ratio does absolutely nothing to engender confidence.
Cheers
darky


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