New topweight in NSW
 

Since October 1st the new topweight is up from 59kg to 61kg in benchmark races. Anyone noticed any differences? #1 losing more often, or somesuch?

Hi walkermac,

Bit early to draw any conclusions given there has only been 58 BM races in NSW (1/10 to 12/10). But for the sake of it the top 2 handicapped horses won 17 of the 58 races (29.31% SR) versus the most recent racing season where they won 370 of the 1,606 (23.03% SR) NSW BM races.

Cheers Paul. I remember when it was first announced and it was all: "Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!". I had to go back and see if I had the date right, given how quiet it's been since the change occurred....

By my count there have been 95 horses handicapped on 61.0 or more and the Vic tote return has been 129 units.
The longest priced winner was 19.0.

I am just wondering if the increase in weight is so the jockeys don't have to starve them selves to death and taller one's can have a go

Metropolitan Field Sizes And Country Participation
Racing NSW, in the past six months, has undertaken a detailed review and analysis on metropolitan field sizes.
After determining changes which were required to stem the problem, an extensive consultation period was then undertaken.
After taking into account input from the consultation process the Board of Racing NSW has resolved to implement the following changes from 1 October 2015, which are detailed below along with the reasoning behind the changes.
Spread of Weights – Benchmark and Open Handicap Weight Scale
• For benchmark races in NSW, increase the benchmark weight and minimum topweight from 59kg to 61kg.
• For all other non-Group races, except two year old, maiden and class 1-3 races, increase the minimum topweight to 61kg at the time of weights release, 61kg for benchmark races and increase the minimum topweight to 60kg at acceptance time.
The compression of weights in benchmark and open races has created a disincentive for horses at or near the bottom of weights to contest these races. This is especially the case where a horse may be nominating in stronger or higher benchmarked races.
Increasing the benchmark level and minimum topweight level of open handicap races from 59kg to 61kg, achieves a 2kg increase in the spread of weights. This opens up these races to a greater number of horses.
“The increase in the benchmark weight and overall spread of weights will make for more competitive races and improve winning opportunities for more horses at the bottom of weights,” said Racing NSW’s Chief Executive, Mr Peter V’landys AM.
This new spread of weights sees a minimum 14 point range (increased from 10 points) between the topweight or benchmark level weight in races and horses on the limit of 54kg. As such more horses can carry a weight equating to their benchmark, without being disadvantaged by the weight scale.
Click on the following link to view the full document:- Metropolitan Field Sizes and Country Participation [PDF]
In addition, Racing NSW has introduced a ninth race to the metropolitan card, from December 1, 2015.
Approximately 40 Saturday meetings in Sydney from that date will feature a ‘Highway Handicap’ under the following conditions:
a. Restricted to bona fide country-trained and domiciled horses;
b. Races programmed at Class 2 or 3 level, with a mix of handicap and Plate races;
c. Prizemoney of $40,000, equivalent to the midweek level;
d. Run at a variety of distances between 1000m and 1800m inclusive;
e. Run at approximately 40 Sydney Saturday meetings
“Initiatives like the Highway Handicap have only become possible given the NSW State Government announcement on Wagering Tax Parity,” said V’Landys.
“Accordingly, we again express our immense appreciation to the Baird Government and in particular the Deputy Premier and Racing Minister Troy Grant.
“The Highway races will provide country trainers the encouragement to tackle city racing and give country owners the added thrill of having their horse race in Sydney on a Saturday.
“This represents an important further step by Racing NSW to build the vibrancy of racing in this State by featuring our crucial country sector.”

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I know weight matters, but it's still strange that a horse losing the rider at the barrier still only runs first by half a length?

Scone race 8 today. Hope the rider is OK I had no sound so didn't hear what happened.

The horse probably just wanted to run along with his mates, being a herd animal. I saw the race but didn't hear what happened to the jock.

On the subject of weight, if i were a trainer i would be training my horses with riders 5 to 10 kg above racing weights, now not saying i have any idea on how to train but think of it this way, say you have 2 humans, one weights 50kg and another 60 kg and they run in match races all the time, if you suddenly added 10 kg weight to the 50 kg person they would definitely notice it, try it yourself, add 10 kg extra weight and do your normal daily thing, now think of a race horse weighting around 600kg obviously the weight of a jockey makes a different and so does the weight scale it would seam, now if the horses are used to running around with jockeys why not add some extra weight, i suppose it doesn't have to be a bigger jockey it could just be lead bags, come race day wouldn't the horse go "oh ******** this is much easier than training"

I think you'll find that most trackwork riders weigh well over 60kg.

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Even if the track rider is a jockey, they tend to ride trackwork in a heavier pad and usually in normal clothes, which are a lot heavier than silks. May not add up to much though.
The horses could also be wearing normal shoes, not racing plates. This WILL slow a horse down.

The horse that lost the jockey, yes I saw that race.
The reason that it only wins by a small margin is for two reasons.
First is pace, there is nobody holding it back so it runs on pace but may not be an on pace horse, but no weight at all sees them often win.
Second, they tend to veer all over the place in the head on replays and do lose a bit of ground. Think it was Bossy who said Melbourne races are run at a different style of pace. It's a scramble, then a really slow middle sectional and then a sprint. (according to him). He said you have to ride differently here. Speedy is also right, the horse will run with the pack, even if able to win by half the length of the straight, horses are more comfortable amongst the herd.
It's the jockey that pushes the horse out of it's comfort zone.

As to weight in training versus race day, many heavier track riders are used to get the horse fit, but jockeys are used mostly in fast work and barrier trials. Certain trainers don't need heavier jockeys on their private tracks, they run them on an incline, which has the same effect as a heavier person.
Others use machines with belts that mechanically rise on an incline with fans going to cool the horse and simulate wind.

Here's a very good example:

https://youtu.be/Ftm-qZazMyQ

Just to show that it's a matter of horse psychology when losing a jockey, here's the CITY TATTERSALLS CLUB CUP from last Saturday:

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/Free...Type=FullReplay


Sasenkile throws his rider at the barriers, gives the field 100m headstart, whizzes by them by the 1:05 mark, then stays a few lengths in front for the remainder of the race.

The interesting part is, per his race history, Sasenkile is a backmarker. Was it just demonstrated that his natural racing pattern is as a frontrunner?

No, just that by nature he wants to run with the herd plus he bolted due to fright.
If a jockey were on him, say an extra 10% of his bodyweight, he would have finished down the track because he needs to conserve all for one big run under those conditions. Notice in the end he was only about a length and a half in front of the winner, with a jockey, he probably wouldn't have placed anywhere near.
That's really the secret to any good horse, finding the correct way to get the most out of them. That's what good trainers can identify.

Updated stats
 

Hi All,

Thought I would post the link to the updated stats as a follow up to my earlier ones.

The effect of the new top weight for NSW Benchmark races

http://goo.gl/rBjovK