The denials do not evoke comment anymore.(except from bitter twisted people like me.)I'll get stuck into God,the Easter Bunny & Father Christmas next!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: quapi on 2004-05-13 09:53 ]

Constant bad decisions,repeated errors of judgement by the dodgy brothers,treated lightly by people who are "in the know" & are making big money from this conspiracy.
Maybe a year off to meditate with some religious order is needed.Then back into it like Tom Cruise.( not too explicit I hope?).

Not exactly what you are commenting on Que; but I wonder does anyone know what action is taken when a saddle 'shifts'. It happenened to two favourites I was on in the last week or so --- and possibly on more occasions, I certainly don't listen to all races. Down the drain goes my hard-earned.

And yesterday another jockey on a favourite 'lost his irons'.

Am not suggesting these things were the jockey's fault in any of those cases --- but they must be someone's fault surely? The punting game is hard enough as it is without things which presumably can be avoided are not.

Merriguy, You should read Berts (of ****************************** fame )expose of the tricks of the trade to slow a horse down.A real eye opener & undetectable.Wish we had a stable boy in the family.

" He took charge of me sir" is the one I love. It happened to one poor experienced jockey 4 times in 6 months in Group One races a couple of years ago. Now he gets caught in traffic jams of his own making - must be riding different types of horses these days.

A large drink of water before parading often weighs heavily on a horse. Can't deny the poor animal a drink can you?

Then of course the ultimate way to get your horse beaten and look like you are trying is to be 4th or worse on the corner at Caulfield.

Probably like most of the business in this country.
Poor staff ,lack of attention to detail,bad manners,and I am not talking just of the racing industry either though they need a swift kick up the axxx.
Cheers.
darky.

Merriguy has touched on the topic that really gets up my nose - the saddle shift. I have asked about this before & it seems that no-one is held accountable when this happens.
I know that horses can (& do) suck in air & then hold it while the straps are being tightened - then when they exhale the straps are a bit looser. But surely an experienced horseman could tell if this has happened by the time they have reached the barrier - the horse can't hold its breath for that long!!

Anyway, if those who have contributed to this thread still have a punt, I guess that is more damning of us than those who are suspected of pulling swifties.

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There's merit in what you say B.B. ,but if you consider races on a purely statistical basis & arrange your staking plan to allow for accidents ,mistakes!!, etc,there is still money to be made.(More money by selling systems I suspect.)Avoid Sydney Metro races,& those involving ...

[ This Message was edited by: quapi on 2004-05-16 19:35 ]

Now now QUE.Lazza had a great record for always winning the last in Sydney.I made money for a long time on that.
Hmm.Wonder if he still does.

Maybe we should be looking for such patterns, Darky? Lazza always being given the last in Sydney, a certain trainer getting the seventh.Lets invite the boys in Maitland Gaol to give us a few pointers.

Most of the horses that i have money on that are slaughtered seem to be in melbourne [mostly by so-called top jockeys]. Is that the case for most people ,or am i betting in the wrong state, already stopped betting in sydney because they have the poorest saturday fields i've ever seen [brisbane and adelaide are better betting propositions]

probably the same everywhere.
you know what i think of sydney.
needs new management and maybe less government involvement.
lacks ideas.

lots of racing look unusual but we are suspicious.

for instance had darren been riding in the last at belmont yesterday i would be caning him.
looked a bit soft.

QUE.I bet they could too.
I am thinking of doing a tourist trip to Alice Springs.
Do they still do those boat races on the dry creek bed.?
Cheers.
darky.

i enjoy the chase but am very wary of the game.
a story i was told from good authority.
a gang of punters had the good oil on a race at kembla and took the day off to plunge including the trainer.

the horse got 4th. after the race the explanation by the jockey was that when he got to the barriers he was informed it was not his turn.
the lost plunge couldnt be avoided due to the peers determining the result.
so the story goes.
the source is reliable (has the burnt fingers to prove it)

There are lots of these stories around Topsy.I posted one involving a N.S.W. gaol ******** ,where the prisoners were giving the warders tips for Saturdays races in Sydney.
The whistle blower was a disgruntled warder who had been cut out of the game.He reported the ******** & the following Saturdays tips were obtained as proof.They proved to be highly accurate.This was briefly reported in the Cairns Post,never to be seen or heard of again.All dismissed now as anecdotal.

When I was knocking around Victoria I had a very heavy duty friend.
Well this particular day we were knocking off an amber or 2 in the local when i got up to put a bet on .This friend asked me what I was betting .I showed him and his rely "" no ya mug x horse is going to win this one.The jockeys wife is having their first baby and this is the jocks present to them""
Now this horse was something like 50/1 but now who am I to argue with such persuasive logic especially from THIS friend.
So on went the dough.This horse had a dream run openings everywhere .Just to make it interesting though they did give chase when it was all over.
A nice win on the day and my mate refused to take a penny for the tip.
I wish some of these other tipsters around were so generous.
Cheers.
darky.

I think this thread is talking more the exeption rather then the rule. Far to many favourites, and horses with good lead up form get home to doubt the integrity of MOST of our jockeys. For the most part they do a good job but like everyone people make mistakes. There is only one, one out one back position in a race, if we get it the jockeys a master, if we miss it he's a **********???

i agree. opportunities to win races dont fall out of trees.
if i owned a horse i am sure i would want to win every race i could. as history demonstrates its a very good horse that wins a good percentage of its races.

bad rides are more likely than questionable rides.

Oh Wilburrr! I think this thread is talking the tip of the iceberg.Many trainers would go broke relying on their nags for a win.
It's the side bets & "in the know scuttlebut" that gives a select few the edge.
You can't beat it but at least acknowlege & be aware!

QUE. I was born and bred in the industry.
I could tell you a million funny stories of skullduggery .
Not as blatant these days or maybe a bit more cunning??
More likely around the small country tracks.
Anyone from Townsville and remember the 4 gallon drum of money found at the jockeys house.??
Cheers.
darky.