Recite these numbers like your multiplication tables when you were a kid.
Average winning price for various betting services.....S.P.6.79
UNITAB 8.18
SuperTab 8.24
N.SW.Tab8.35
I.A.S. 8.59
Austote 9.71
and thus betfair would be knocking around the same price as Austote+I presume.
Yours NICK.

O.K. you got me.
What's Austote?

It's based on Norfolk Island. Another bloodsucking company who probably won't contribute a cent to Australian Racing because they are based in a Territory of Australia.
Look, I'm all for us getting better prices but eventually these guys are costing the industry that we love money.
I'll admit I'm a hypocrite, I have accounts with Betfair, SportingBet & Sports Acumen but when my friends who own horses ask me about it I feel some guilt.

Norherly writes, "...but when my friends who own horses ask me about it I feel some guilt."

A tear came to my eye too. Poor wretched souls having been thrown on the scrap heap of race-horse ownership.

Perhaps we could get one of the major election contenders to implement welfare reform for race-horse owners as a polictical manifesto. After all, who else will pay the race-horse owners bills (including petrol for the mercedes) if not damn fool punters.

The very last thing we want to do is empower punters with choice in searching for value in their wagering dollar. In fact I have a better idea - lets increase the TAB take to over 20% and eliminate every other betting alternative. That way we can all eat cake.

Gee.That tale of woe would bring a tear to a glass eye.
The poor,poor dears.
Cheers.
darky.

Just remember that you can't have one without the other. We need owners so we can bet on their horses, or would you rather go to the casino and bet on the horse game there, where you have just as much chance of winning as you would if you were playing the pokies.

I'll keep using the Corporate bookmakers as I'll do what is best for me, but at least be reasonable enough to admit that we need each other.

I have some sympathy for the owners especially the little battler BUT ABSOLUTELY NONE FOR THE RACE CLUBS who have been treating the average punter like a mug for more years than even I care to remember.
Now when something good like BETFAIR or AUSTOTE comes along they are whinging like theres no tomorrow..
Cheers.
darky.

that's better. My friends who have owned horses are not rich just people who love horse racing and the best horses out of the lot they have had are, Cosmic Strike (1st G3 Gilgai Stks & 3rd G1 Salinger) and Outside The Square (won about 6 in SA).

I hate the TAB's with a passion because of the way they treat punters. In respect to race clubs, well I haven't been around racing long enough to comment. But I do get annoyed with all the crap on SKY trying to scare people about Betfair. It's not like racing hasn't been corrupt for a 100 years anyway.

Why dont we get back to the "good old days" and have our local S.P.

Not sure about the exact details, but quoted in the Guiness Book of Records, is a story about some "lucky" punter in the uk who backed a 7 horse yankee (multiple bets, inc. accumalators) all won at Mammoth odds, he was due a payout from that "LOCAL FRIENDLY SP BOOKIE" running into millions.

What he got was a pitance because of limits (in the small print) on doubles, trebles,& 4,5,6,7 somes.

I think we can definitly do without them!!

Most definitely BETFAIR or AUSTOTE for mine.
Cheers.
darky.

Just be aware that if you eat all of the grain,you will have none left to plant.
Plenty of barren deserts around where people didn't carefully consider the consequences of their actions.
Whenever somebody gains,somebody or something has to lose.

...and the most important stat of all, "95% of punters lose".

Why should punters be left with only 85% of the pool just so the TABs can maintain huge profits?

Get 95% to 98% returned!

This is a safe and legitimate alternative for punters who are fed up with paying substantial commissions to totalisators.

The differences are staggering.
To find out how you can get much better tote odds:
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Just supposing everybody just turned off the TAB and went to these 95% places.
Now the TAB has nothing to distribute.
So raceclubs now lose the major portion of their income.
What is the scenario?
No more raceclubs and no more races and nothing to bet on to get your 95%.

99 % of punters would be too lazy to seek a better price out so I cant ever see that happening.
Cheers.
darky.

moee,
Most punters are too lazy to do anything but bet in cash and do no form. And remember, that win betting is less than half of TAB turnover, plus their internet acct figure is very tiny.

Betfair, Austote and the corporate bookies are all willing to contribute to the industry, but the stubborn **************s running the show want to keep ripping off punters by furthering the cause of the virtual TAB monopoly.....