I don't have figures for this but would like to know if this is ok to work with

1) Must be the unitab top selection not the hundred rater but the ones at the top left
2) Must have won last start and been placed in either of the 2 starts before that...example form line 4351 or 4531
3) Must have a C or D in its form
4) must have had atleast 3 runs from a spell

we are only concerned with it running a place

Does that mean ruling out those that placed at BOTH of the two previous starts???

no thats fine if they ran like this 0321 or 0x321

oh forgot to add...i would limit it to fields of 8 to 12 runners

[ This Message was edited by: Shaun on 2004-10-09 20:21 ]

Shaun, this smacks a bit of the old hot pots system, although there were a few more rules as I remember, and most importantly it was betting to WIN only,I did in 2 banks of $2000 each backing level stakes. Just a constant small loss on T/O. The initial selection though was Pre Post Favourite, and best results came fvrom thr racing radio prices.
I'm not knocking the idea totally, I always thought that it had potential especially for the place. I did some restospective research afterwards and found a profit if the bets were restricted to Saturdays, Wednesdays AND DUEL winners i.e. only bet if the contender had won its last 2 races.

Close to a system i've been using for awhile.

Add up the totals of thier past 4 placings
eg. 2x11 tiakun would be 4
x for spells are ok but they have to have a minum of 3 starts
the total has to be 9 or under
and they have to have a Zip rating of 56 or more if there are more than one qualifier in a race go the highest Zip rater.

Today at Caulfield qualifiers were

Lad of the manor (3rd)
Emloza (1st)
Tiakun (UNP)
fast net rock (unp)
Starcraft (3rd)
Regal roller (1st)
solar Antiquity (1st)

in sydney
Stromberg carlson (unp)
Kiawah (2nd)
Rich Megadale (1st)
Red oog (1st)
Capri (unp)
Pyreneese princess (unp)

in Brissie
our sweet moss (unp)
Kengrande (3rd)
Huddle (UNP)

total 16
5 winners
3 placings
8 unplaced

Has a good strikerate but does tend to give you the favourites although Emloza was good value and kiawah for the place was handy.

partypooper...yes you are right...most of it comes from that system....just wondering how it would work using racing radio selection with a few different rules...but the main rule is the laststart winner with a placing in the at least one of the 2 before that

Heres a system that pulls plenty of place getters using the Rado TAB selections.

1)Target the Radio TABQ 1st selection.
2)Must be paying $3.20+ for the win at jump time & bet for the place.This is done so that we can strike those $1.60+ payers, the win price often replects what the place price will end up being .
Dont try & look at the place div before start because it jumps all over the place.
3)Field of 8-12
4)Must have had at least 2 career starts.

This has a great SR.
Check it out.

That seems far too simple Bhagwan.

If it really has a good strike rate, the simpler the better, IMO.

Just looked at yesterday for Bris, Syd, Melb and Adel. Adel 6-9 was resuming from a spell, and if you delete that one, you have 10 placings from 13 bets.

B1-1 $1.60
B2-5 $1.50
B4-8 -
S3-4 $1.50
S4-3 $1.50
S5-2 $1.50
S7-2 $1.60
M2-1 $1.80
M5-3 -
M8-1 $1.60
A4-2 -
A6-9 -
A7-1 $1.70
A8-6 $1.70

It's certainly something to look at.


[ This Message was edited by: sportznut on 2004-10-10 12:39 ]

thats ok if you can sit there and watch all the days races but i don't have time for that some days

Here's an idea for you to think about:

(1) 8+ runners
(2) Tab No1
(3) Clear Pre-post fav between $3 and $5
(4) At least 4 career starts
(5) Last start within the last 28 days

Yesterday's results:
Caul 2-1 $1.80
Caul 3-1 $1.60
Caul 9-1 $1.60
E.Fm 5-1 $1.30
E.Fm 7-1 $1.50
Chel 7-1 $1.70
GCst 7-1 $1.60
GCst 8-1 $1.80
Werr 7-1 $1.60
I didn't have the pre-post odds for Toowoomba but from looking at the results, I think it may have done okay there too.

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Optional extra rule:
If there is any meeting without a qualifier, try the same rules with Tab No2. If still no qualifiers, try Tab No3. If still none, then ignore that meeting.

Yesterday results:
Rose 5-2 $1.50
Rose 8-2 $1.60
Belm 5-3 -
Belm 7-3 $1.60
Belm 8-3 $1.40

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Yesterday was almost certainly just a flash in the pan, so I think it definitely needs some extra filters to really strengthen it for place betting:
no more than 58 kgs
at least 2 starts since a spell
at least 50% placings
And I think a horse should be a special if it's been placed at it's last two starts.


[ This Message was edited by: sportznut on 2004-10-10 16:28 ]

Hi all, interesting thread but I'm a bit disappointed with the PPM style of filters being suggested as they often just point towards the favourite in every race.
Nothing wrong with favourites though, I like backing favourites when they are my number one pick. After all they do yield the lowest LOT of any price category if followed blindly. I like to look at the class of the horse rather than current form and then look at the price. If it's the best class horse and is the favorite I think it is a "true favourite".
A suggested staking plan for high strike rate placing plans is the simple bet 5% of your bank and double up on the next race. This means you're betting with more of the bookies money and generally leverages the POT. If you can't watch the races then run a paralell series of bets and double up from day to day eg. 1st race day one into 1st race day two etc.
Cheers

Here is an off spin of this plan using the same selection rules except for the Radio Tab selection....start at number 1 and work your way down and the first horse that qualifies under the rules of
field size 8-12
last start winner
placed in one or both of it's starts before the win
must be having 4th run from spell
must have a C or D in form

this will give you more selections and some better prices but will lead to more losses here is what i found for today
BR6 5 DELICATA
BR7 2 CHIPPY'S PICK
SR3 2 CRYSTAL WAY
SR5 2 SKIDDAW
SR6 3 KOWLOON CONNECTION
SR7 2 CASH AND GLORY
MR5 1 ALINGHI
AR7 1 LOTTO JAZZ

thats quite a few horses there

[ This Message was edited by: Shaun on 2004-10-13 08:36 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Shaun on 2004-10-13 08:48 ]

ok that was a waste of time

[ This Message was edited by: Shaun on 2004-10-13 18:47 ]

howd everyone go with these systems today ?
with mine
calfield
Johans Toy (unp)
Spirit of Tara (2nd)
Diamond Jake (unp)
Infinite Grace (2nd)
Besame Mucho (unp)
Elvis (1st)
Amtrak (1st)

Sydney
Fiery Venture (2nd)

Brissie
Carlita Miss (1st)
Front Door (unp)
Qualo (unp)

11 selection 3 winners 3 placings

Not bad as carlita Miss paid very well and even the placings were handy..

Using the number one's system i had 3 selections for a 3.20 placing