Nothing beats a day at the races.My favourite courses are Taree,Muswellbrook,Gosford and Wyong.Newcastle is probably the best track in the country for giving every horse a chance, but for a day out it doesn't cut the mustard.Anyway .......

For years I have been watching bookmakers pull the same old stunt over and over.Midway through the betting,either by a pre-arranged signal or following the leader they will dramatically shorten the odds on,say,Vaduz.Of course poor old Vaduz doesn't have a prayer.Never-the-less there is invariably a rush of punters plonking their hard earned on it.It works for the bookies,it has done for a long long time.

The fascinating thing is that Professional gamblers are pulling the same ******** on state TABs.If there is a final pool of,say $200,000, around about the $80,000 mark they plonk a couple of thousand on good old Varduz.Enough to make it look like a genuine shortener.There are thousands of us average punters watching the betting fluctuations either at home or in pubs and clubs.Bingo,,right on cue we plonk the $$ on Varduz,between us we put another $100,000 in the pool.Then of course in the last ten seconds using ultra fast connections they place their bets on the winner and plunder the pool.

What really stinks about this, is the fact that "for some reason" there is invariably a lag on the final betting pool and we dont get to see where the "real money" is until the race is half over.The only chance we have of spotting the professional $$$ is if the start is delayed.That must really make them squeal.

What is seriously peeing me off is the fact that I cant understand why the betting fluctuations appear right on cue "EXCEPT" for that final minute.We live in a world where George Bush bombed the hell out of Iraq for absolutely no reason.I wonder who else is having a lend of us ?????

been watching it happen for years & it stands out like dogs balls.

still if punters are stupid enough to "follow the smart money" then they were lucky to have the cash in their pockets in the 1st place.

one of my particular favourites is the mule paying say $10 in vic & $18 in syd/qld 5 minutes prior to the jump. just watch the odds shorten & the mule start at about $12 run absolutely nowhere almost every time.

so wheres this money coming from? all those einstein's chasing a "value runners"!! & the bright spark(s) resposible for the short quote now collect decent odds about their 2/1, 3/1 nag.

i could be wrong tho.....



[ This Message was edited by: stugots on 2004-10-18 13:27 ]

Those ULTRA FAST connections.Surely they are not so fast that they come up with the winner before the winner has crossed the line.Even the speed of light isn't that quick.

I posted about this manipulation a long time ago but the post was deleted by Management, and also a lot of FORUMITES bagged me because of what I know is happening, but only to the advantage of a privileged few.
THATS why I find my selections the way do.
Sniff 'em out, try to read what is happening with the REAL money in a race.
To anyone that is interested you can learn a lot about a race by using 4 sites.
2 fixed odds bookie sites and 2 tab sites look at the odds, look for movements and mainly look for big discrepencies.
It can be very frustrating, a lot of work, and sometimes lets say let 10 races go by with no bet as nothing smells.
BUT if you learn to read the markets it can be very rewarding.
Moeee,
You posted just before me, so here's your answer.
NOBODY can place a bet AFTER the jump.
A PRIVILIGED few can CANCEL a bet after the jump.
THINK how that can change the final market.

[ This Message was edited by: kenchar on 2004-10-18 19:31 ]

You know something!
Most punters are Pessimists.
If you lose for long enough and often enough you begin to only see a world full of ********.
It's nowhere near that bad and I enjoy racing and I enjoy punting and I enjoy the company of cheerful people.

I enjoy the $$$$$$$$$$ .
THATS what makes me happy :grin:

Some people just take and never put nothing back in.
You can usually spot them by their lack of co-operation when competitions are running.
I have found that if you have a little bit more than you need,it is very satisfying to share.

E=Mc2
"In light of knowledge attained, the happy achievement seems almost a matter of course, and any intelligent student can grasp it without too much trouble. But the years of anxious searching in the dark, with their intense longing, their alterations of confidence and exhaustion and the final emergence into the light -- only those who have experienced it can understand it." Einstein


$$$$ = Corruption

Not difficult to follow.

and also a lot of FORUMITES bagged me

Kenchar I dont care who bags me.There are a few very lightweight counterpunchers around here who attempt (with little success)to occupy what they perceive to be the moral high ground.

Good luck to them...

And suicide bombers are going off daily in Iraq,but we don't have to be obsessed by it.
Let's concentrate on the goodness of gambling and instead of delving on any presupposed corruption,make an effort to stamp it out.
Law breaking is law breaking.If you know something untoward,then alert the authorities.
Funny how everyone believes racing is corrupt except me and the stewards.

Radio TAB’s Stephen Hewlett and Tony Clements were on the job early today and Stephen Hewlett spoke to Michael Sullivan. For the many people who would have missed the interview it makes interesting listening, so let’s go through some of the points with you.

Michael Sullivan said that Sportingbet’s “concerns go back well over 12 months into the integrity of Brisbane racing.” Sullivan stated he had grave doubts as to the “integrity in the price fluctuations” and quoted Saturday’s Eagle Farm winner “Never Sad as just another classic case – it blew from $6 to $12 then once the fluctuation went through it was backed into $6.50.” Sullivan continued by saying “it had won like Bernborough the Saturday before and our books are open but maybe they (authorities like betting stewards) ought to look at how much the Brisbane bookies took on the horse at $12.” Sullivan stated that prices on horses like Never Sad “were inflated and were not a true reflection of what price the horse should be.”


Which stewards ?????

Moeee,
I'm just curious, do you wear your collar backwards. :smile:

Poor old Michael, maybe he should go back to bookie school, or try to make a living on Betfair with markets around 100%, instead of bragging about $5,000,000 bets.

Gday All,

I find this topic pretty intersting. Over the weekend just gone I had the pleasure of being on course at the Gold and Sunshine Coasts. Can't reccommend the SSCST highly enough, what a great place to enjoy the races.

Now to the stuff about THAT bookie in Darwin, and his probs with Brisbane Racing It appears there is no form done by that mob but rather they follow. And heaven forbid you are consistent winner with this mob..

The race he questioned I thought wasn't that big a surprise. I had Never Sad at about 8 bucks 4th pick behind Moving, Perance and Sea Artist. I saw the Price of 12 bucks in the ring at GCST and took the 50% over. If I knew it was an over why didnt the expert in Darwin. ...If he had done his homework he would never have bet the horse at 12 dollars. ....I don't know if he was betting on the GCST races last Saturday, but if he was i would love to see what he made of the books in the ring having that last fav at 2.20 in about a 200% market and it paid $4+ on the tote. I am not sure that it even started fav on the tote. My point here is that the Bookies at the Coast HAD done their home work with LUX and were not taking chances. So you had to bet him on the tote where you got better than 4 bucks. They were bleeding fairly profusely from a Fav day at the Coast on Saturday and they sure as hell werent going to get stung again..
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[ This Message was edited by: Moderator 3 on 2004-10-19 20:18 ]

Mr Kenchar.
I am trying to establish a professional attitude towards my gambling pursuits.
If you wish to see the down side in everything regards gambling,that's your prerorogative.
Just remember.You can never soar like an eagle if you hang around with a bunch of galahs.

Moeee,
The sooner you realise this whole business is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and NOTHING else, then you might be on the way of finding a way to come out in front.

Nothing in life is about nothing else.
Suppose you could always use the bills to line your coffin.
I aim to enjoy my gambling and feel comfortable,not angry and jealous and spiteful.

An old adage that I think must be placed on this thread
"The secret of life is so simple that man cannot grasp it."
Apply it to the punt.

Read Says Doping & Fixing Rampant
Prominent bookmaker & punter Mark Read triggered headlines declaring “Doping & Race Fixing Rampant” after telling The Daily Telegraph that “race fixing & doping are widespread” & “Australian racing has an integrity problem that has existed for years, but nothing has been done about it” because “officials are adopting a head-in-the-sand attitude to the problem”. Read declared: “The policy of the racing industry & the TABs that drive the industry is that we don’t want any bad publicity because it affects turnover. In the last few years, there’s been a massive use & abuse of performance enhancing drugs. There’s not enough resources going into keeping Australian racing drug-free. The industry knows there is a problem, but once again it’s been pushed under the table because it’s all about public opinion. There are horses racing on EPO, people cheating the system taking them on & off the gear.” Read summed up: “This is the biggest story in the racing industry & no-one is game to have a crack at it.” (Oct 19)

Ahhh the old head in the sand routine....

A senior customs official once told me that it was impossible to control the importation of drugs into Australia.He said money means nothing to these people.They can buy "anyone".

"Buy Anyone"That is the end game of mega dollars.Delaying the transmission of the last minute of price fluctuations is worth millions to some people.It's happening daily,we can all see it.If there is a good reason for it let's start hearing it...

By the way, I will not be drawn into schoolyard name calling.

Don't know what that adage is trying to convey,but please don't enlighten me.
Reading it is like looking at a beautiful seaside view.Means different things to different people,but always beautiful.
I think Mr J has got a handle on professional punting,but I don't know if he is getting the adrenalin rush and numerous other non-financial things that gambling can provide.