Hey all i am new to this forum. Just wondering on what strategies some of you people take in tipping trifectas, wins and places. Or what ever you do. I was wondering weather you could help me out. Thanks.

Well as you may see in the long greyhound posts. I did a lot of trifectas.

Mainly I eliminate the ones that wont place. I choose the best two chances. Have them for first. THen choose three more than I reckon can run a place. eg: 1,2/1,2,3,4,5/1,2,3,4,5 and that will cost $24. It seems to work.... but i kept on missing 1 leg or the wrong winner popped up. But it did work twice.

Hey i'm also new to this forum bourny3
Looking forward to the feedback u get

I don't have a lot of money to play with so to try and get a good return,I play trifectas costing $2 for half a unit.
I take a banker for first into 2 runners for 2nd,with these 2 plus 1 more for third.
I usually have most luck when the banker is a favourite under $2.50

Another tip. Dont listen to Oaksnaf.:razz:

Do your your own ratings on every horse in the race. If you have a standout rater use it as a banker if you have a couple put them both on top and your other selections in the 2nd and 3rd leg. eg 2/7/7
When rating them make sure you take into consideration the jockey and Barrier. A good jockey can jump from anywhere and can get some longshots into placings and a good barrier can sometimes get a lesser class horse into a place if it has a good run. These give the trifectas great value.

I've been to busy lately so i've just been banking my selection with the field. It sometimes backfires when the favourites come in 1st,2nd and 3rd but i have a win bet that covers any loses i might get on the tri.
I usually take trifectas when there is value .eg atleast 8 horses in the field and my ratings dont have 3 or 4 horses which are all in the betting that are way ahead in ratings than the other horses in the race.

Good luck ..

My modus operandi when taking trifectas is to go with 2 selections to win.
Add 1 or 2 more to those for 2nd. with remaining selections added to 3rd position.
e.g. 2+4+8 computes to 2x3x6=$18-00 for a 50 cent unit.
I have ripped all my hair out for the times I have had the winner(at a good price) but 1 of my selections for 3rd gets into 2nd place.
the only way to overcome this problem is to put all place selections in for 2nd. and 3rd.
The computation for the above combination then becomes 2x7x6=$42-00 for a 50 cent unit.
The problem now is that you have in effect outlaid $21-00 on each of your win selections.
One of your win selections salutes at 20/1, you have the placings in order and the trifecta pays $200-00 for a 50 cent unit.
i.e. You are $200-00 worse off,(or thereabouts) than if you had backed your selections for a win.
Strangely, some of my best trifecta collects have come from small outlays in the manner of taking one horse to win,another for 2nd. and the field for 3rd.- 50c. unit, or alternatively 2 selections for 1st. and 2nd. and the field for 3rd.
One of the biggest conundrums I have faced with punting is the psychological barrier concerning the size of a bet.
I have no problem losing $100-00 in $10-00 lots over the course of the day but would not dream of investing $100-00 in one hit.
What is the best policy?
More on less or less on more.
The answer's a "pineapple".




[ This Message was edited by: Imagele on 2004-11-09 23:17 ]

Here's one for you, only any good on big races though.

Select 3 horses. Put on these 3 trifectas
1,2,3/1,2,3/Field
1,2,3/Field/1,2,3
Field/1,2,3/1,2,3

with this combination, you only need 2 of the 3 to place to get the trifecta. If all 3 run places then you get it 3 times.
Will cost $396 for full units or $198 half units (what I had in Melb Cup)

I got this years Melb Cup, paid $1256.55 for half unit. I had Makybe Diva, Vinnie Roe, Distinction. my friend who taught me this got last years Melb Cup ($11000 for half unit) and this years.

I use very similar Norton.
In the cc I had 2 x 3 x field
in the mc 2x2xfield. I love zazzman now. :smile:

The last three years I've had 5 of the first 6 horses past the post, but been knocked out of Trifectas and First 4s by one horse which I haven't even considered. I didn't think Zazzman had a hope, but I thought the other 2 were totally obvious. I really should have had Makybe Diva & Vinnie Roe for 1st and 2nd and the field for 3rd, but I didn't have the guts. I'm going to have to start doing something like that in the big races. There always seems to be one longshot that gets into the placings.


[ This Message was edited by: sportznut on 2004-11-10 13:38 ]

sports my tri makybe/vinnie - vinnie/ makybe - field only cost $44 for a full div. Paid 2500 went halves with a mate

the beauty of doing it my way is that had Zazzman or any other roughie got up and 2 of my 3 run a place, I still get it plus it pays more.
Even had Vinnie Roe won it would of been a bigger payout.

Last year my friend picked
Makybe Diva, Jardine's Lookout & ????.
She's Archie ran 2nd, so it just shows that you only need 1 roughie to get in the first 3 to get a decent payout ($11K half unit). And you don't get wiped out if a roughie gets up for 2nd if you take 2 to run 1st & 2nd.

Admittedly I did think about taking Makybe Diva & Vinnie for 1st and 2nd then the field, but chickened out. Once the rain came I thought it was a good bet, I only put the bet on 3 minutes before the race. Even though it cost me more I liked the insurance, had Vinnie run 3rd.

There was $11M in the Win pool on Uni Tab for the Melb Cup. While there was $10.5M in the trifecta pool. There has to be value in there somewhere.

Yeah, I know. With the AB/AB/Field trifecta, it's not the cost that's the scary part. It's the fact that those two horses have to come 1st and 2nd. I guess you could also take another trifecta with the field in for second instead of third.

It's just like having a quinella except you get paid 2K instead of 2bob.

cheers

you got it umrum :wink:
and sportz,
that is why you have to take 3 tri's to cover if they don't run 1-2.

Here is another way of getting a bigger div than normal.
If you really like a horse in a particular leg of a double, just take it as a standout in the 1st leg and then the field in the 2nd (or Field in the 1st leg then your standout). you then have the chance of a huge payout.

just reading through here, some interesting combinations. My favourite trifecta method is picking 1 standout and using him as a rover with the field. Ideally i pick races between 9 - 11 to keep costs down. With larger fields I will have rover with 8 others, seems to do ok. Another favourite of mine is in races (dogs good with fields of eight) is when you have a short priced favourite, is to put field 1st favourite 2nd field 3rd, this costs $21 for half and you get some very nice returns when a roughie beats the fav.
New to thid forum and enjoying others opinions, keep it up

Good luck to all!!!

I will usually put 3 horses on top of a triffecta 2 which I feel are the standout picks regardless of the odds then I will find the best roughie I can find in the race who I give the best opportunity to win.

I will then add another 3 to the 2nd line coupled with the first 3 that is the method I have had the best success with it costs me $30 for a half unit not cheap but it is alright when it works out even better when the roughie gets up with the rest of them.

The amazing thing about the Mel Cup trifecta is that 12 months ago you would have thought it was an obvious one. Makybe has just one her first one, Vinnie Roe was still winning Irish St. Legers and Zazzman won the Queen Elizabeth Stakes for about its 4th win in a row. Unfortunately its form this year has been woeful with several duck eggs by his name.

[ This Message was edited by: Pugnosis on 2004-11-12 10:14 ]

Yeah, and it's form in the wet appeared to be much worse than in the dry!!!

Thank you all. I will try these tips out and let you know how I go.

I method that I find works pretty well especially with the dogs is that I will choose a 2nd or 3rd favourite especially if it is out of a good box. I will then put 3 trifecta's on.

1 - 2,3,4,5,6 - 2,3,4,5,6
2,3,4,5,6 - 1 - 2,3,4,5,6
2,3,4,5,6 - 2,3,4,5,6 - 1 Total $30 for .50c

This means that the dog I choose only has to place and I will get the trifecta provided that the 2 dogs I don't have don't come in the top 3 which doesn't happen too often and by not taking the favourite as the standout it increases my chances of picking up a decent return.

This method can seem to work ok for thoroughbred races provided the field isn't too large.

If there is a standout favourite in a race, I will take the fav. straight out to win eg. 1 - 2,3,4,5,6 - 2,3,4,5,6 $10 for a half unit but I usually don't swap the order around because if the fav does win the dividend usually isn't great enough to cover a $30 outlay. If the fav loses, I'm only losing $10.

Another small tip. I find for Sydney greyhounds, if you find a dog that has been running poorly at Wentworth Park but has been taken back to a provincial meeting like Singleton, they do win quite often and sometimes in the past I have had them come in at as much as $40 for the win. Very rarely are they short. My only theory for this is that the trainer is trying to give it a confidence boost.

Good Luck and good punting

PS Has anyone got a reliable punting method for Casino or Lismore dog races as the straightless track makes backing a winner much more difficult. Quite often I find the best dog doesn't win.

We heard you the first time! :smile:

sorry, don't know how i managed to post it twice

Trent,
Lismore and casino are the only NSW tracks I bet on. Casino is by far my most profitable track due the fact that bad dogs can win at big odds. The key to Casino is finding the leader and the only way to do that is to watch videos and do sectionals.
Lismore used to be fantastic on the grass but it is not so easy on the sand. Poor dogs find it hard to win there now whilst at Casino, poor dogs that lead often get "pushed" over the line at double figure odds. The pools at Casino are huge too which is great - it means you can bet up on roughies without affecting the odds too much.

Trent,
Are you prepared to buy video tapes of Casino and Lismore (approx $60 per week) and spend about 20 hours per week watching EVERY dog's run and then giving each dog a rating adjusted for checks etc. This is the MINIMUM required to have any chance at winning long term.

Hey Rocksteady.
Put a dint in your overheads perhaps by subscribing to a pay TV channel and recording the races yourself.
If not you,maybe possibly Trent.

I subscribe to Foxtel BUT you only get the greyhounds AFTER the last gallops race on Fridays. I also like to get the tape of the maiden qualifiers from both Casino and Lismore which are NEVER shown on television because they are a NON TAB race. However they are extremely handy in gaining an edge.

[ This Message was edited by: Rock Steady on 2004-11-16 09:41 ]

Oh well,was just a thought being unable to justify the expenses myself.
But I did believe during the early hours of the morning they showed replays of races.Perhaps not the greyhound ones.
Nice to see you back posting Rocky.

Beginning to think that the best idea is to leave these two tracks alone. Yes I do have Sky Channel but I work Full Time which limits the amount of time I hae to spend doing the necessary analysis required which puts me behind from the start. Paying $60 per week for tapes with no guarantees of picking winners and re-couping that money through winners also makes it difficult.

I'll consider Cranbourne instead on Friday's. Seems to me with this track is that if you stick to the quick beginners you do pretty well because for some reason, dog's coming from behind find it difficult to run down the leaders on this track.

Thanks for you help though Rocksteady