Tassie Tote Ratings
 

I asked Tassie tote how they arrived at their ratings.This was their reply....


In regards to your question about the THOROUGH Form Interactive form
guide, the ratings are based off the class and time of the race. 20
points of rating equals one full length, so in your example where the
difference is 5 points (545 - 540), then they would finish approximately
one head apart.

Syllabus23 - How do they perform?

In my opinion this is the best free form guide available online.Career performance and ratings in a drop down format.Easy to follow and great for form students.Lot's of valuable information...

Lolol of course that wasn't the question.

The value in their ratings is that you are seeing a horse's career ratings on one page.They dont rate the current race,,just past performances,so you are left to decide your own base rating.I like it,, but these things tend to be a matter of individual preference.

Good luck,, good punting...


http://www.thetote.com.au/racebet/form_guides/platinum/

Well, I'm trialling a ratings method at the moment and yesterday I used both the Tas Tab ratings and Ozeform ratings to do a comparison.

I rated 7 races, although the two at Murwullimbah were abandoned. In the other 5 races, between the two sets of ratings, I found the winner of all of them in the top or equal top rated horses. Using Ozeform, I had the three shorter priced winners rated on top whereas the Tas ratings had them 2nd, 3rd or 4th. However, using the Tas ratings, I had Swan Hill 5-10 Mer Bebe rated on top and it paid $16 for the win. I also had Swan Hill 7-7 Most Handsome equal top rated and it paid $12. In Mer Bebe's race, Ozeform had Number 3 rated on top. It finished 3rd and an any 2 bet on those two horses paid $156. Very nice!

Importantly, the Tas tab ratings rate EVERY race, unlike Ozeform. The race that Most Handsome won last start which had it up the top was not even rated on Ozeform. Very frustrating to see a figure of 0.0 next to quite a few country races. Also, it's MUCH slower using Ozeform to get the ratings.

One thing that found them both out however was Lookout in the Moruya Cup. It had won at Canterbury on Friday, and neither site had updated the form and rating for that run. So I had to make a judgement myself on it's rating for that run. Personally, I thought it was a pretty good thing in the race, despite the extra 2.5kgs hcp it received.

Sportz....list the races you rated i would like to give then a run via my ratings to see what come up with......i like the links that give information for that particular form...this very useful to see how the horse has done at the distance and stuff

Just have a quick peek at Jazzark's form in Rocky today.

The poor darned horse has had 22 runs this preparation.It probably pulls a milk cart in it's spare time and takes the kids to school......

Here they are Shaun. Sorry, but I actually deleted the prices I had assessed for each horse and I don't feel like working them out again.

As I said, with the Moruya Cup, I actually had to make my own assessment of Lookout's last run, but I think it was probably fairly close to the ratings that the horse would have been given by Ozeform and Tas Tab.

MORUYA R5 CL5 1425m:
(using Ozeform)
01 TRUE CROWN 52.0
07 REALIGN 51.0
04 MR. DEAN 49.0
09 NITROGEN NARCOSIS 49.0
03 KING O' THE RINGS 48.5
06 THEN AGAIN 48.0
(using Tas Tab)
06 THEN AGAIN 56.5
09 NITROGEN NARCOSIS 55.0
01 TRUE CROWN 53.5
03 KING O' THE RINGS 52.5
07 REALIGN 52.0
04 MR. DEAN 50.5

MORUYA R7 Cup 1930m
(using Ozeform)
01 LOOKOUT 52.5
04 THROUGH 51.0
05 BUSH FLASH 51.0
09 DELISSA 50.5
06 BELHARI 49.5
10 ROMANOUS JEWEL 48.5
(using Tas Tab)
04 THROUGH 55.5
01 LOOKOUT 54.5
03 PROTECTIVE CUSTODY 54.0
02 SHY PRINCE 53.0
08 WINKURRA 53.0
09 DELISSA 52.5

MORUYA R8 CL1 1425m
(using Ozeform)
04 ROXBURY HALL 49.0
06 MON AVIDE 47.5
03 BONNEVILLE 46.5
07 COLOUR THERAPY 42.5
10 BUE TIFFE 41.0
09 MCALLISTER 40.5
(using Tas Tab)
06 MON AVIDE 52.0
04 ROXBURY HALL 50.0
03 BONNEVILLE 47.0
12 BLUES FEST 47.0
07 COLOUR THERAPY 46.5
08 JUNGLE GIRL 45.5

SWAN HILL R5 CL2 1300m
(using Ozeform)
03 ABOVE CLASS 50.0
10 MER BEBE 48.0
01 NORTON CREEK 47.5
04 CHORUS 47.5
02 SNOBBERY 46.5
09 MISS APPEALING 46.0
(using Tas Tab)
10 MER BEBE 50.0
06 FACADE 49.0
09 MISS APPEALING 47.5
01 NORTON CREEK 46.0
03 ABOVE CLASS 45.5
07 JESSI RAE 45.5

SWAN HILL R7 CL3 2100m
(using Ozeform)
05 TRUSTY ASSISTANT 49.5
02 MYPOLLONGA 49.0
03 SMYTZER'S SMYTZER 48.5
06 LAN STAR 47.0
07 MOST HANDSOME 47.0
(using Tas Tab)
03 SMYTZER'S SMYTZER 47.0
06 LAN STAR 47.0
07 MOST HANDSOME 47.0
01 KAMESHIMA 46.0
05 TRUSTY ASSISTANT 46.0

VERY SLACK.
 

Dates of last race ran are incorrect.
Very slack on their part but not the only site that does it.
Whatever happened to customer service.?
cheers,
darky.

That will be ok...just wanted to compare what they had thats all

MORUYA R5 CL5 1425m:
102.70 1 True Crown (11) $4.76
72.83 3 King O' the Rings (7) $6.71
70.42 9 Nitrogen Narcosis (9) $6.94
63.73 6 Then Again (4) $7.67

MORUYA R7 Cup 1930m
108.35 3 Protective Custody (5) $5.17
107.16 5 Bush Flash (4) $5.23
79.45 4 Through (7) $7.05
72.97 1 Lookout (9) $7.67

SWAN HILL R5 CL2 1300m
138.74 4 Chorus (4) $3.35
102.70 2 Snobbery (2) $4.52
63.45 1 Norton Creek (13) $7.32
42.66 7 Jessi Rae (10) $10.89

SWAN HILL R7 CL3 2100m
80.31 5 Trusty Assistant (9) $4.14
71.85 6 Lani Star (2) $4.63
53.89 7 Most Handsome (5) $6.17
42.66 3 Smytzer's Smytzer (NZ) (7) $7.79
42.66 4 Jamaican Sunset (6) $7.79

i didn't rate MORUYA R8 CL1 1425m because my ratings need a minimum of 3 starts and mr ratings are points based on form

Yeah, I actually only rated that race because I was keen on Roxbury Hall and I wanted to see if it would come out on top of the ratings.

Have you noticed the jockey stats too? Click on a rider and you get his rides for the last 3 months.

Ozeform is painfully slow, and you also get timed out after a few minutes. Very annoying. Also typing in a horses name is VERY tedious. Add to that the Ozeform db basicly shuts down on Tues and Wednesdays I've noticed. Tassy Tote form is lenghths ahead as far as convenience is concerned.

At first glance the ratings at least look comparable to Ozeform (which i've found to be quite accurate). There looks to be a direct correllation evident.

I also like the fact that the ratings are measured in Lengths, as opposed to KG's. This is very convenient if you DON'T believe that 1 len = 1.5 kg's, like me.

Well, what do you think it IS then?

I've been using them just as if they were weight ratings. In other words a rating of 625 = 62.5 kgs. This is probably wrong then. I'll have to experiment a bit more with them.

roughly, i use the standard 1 len = 2.63kg.

i WAS LOOKING FOR THERATINGS ON TASSIE TOTE BIT CAN'T FIND THEM....CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE

http://www.thetote.com.au/racebet/form_guides/platinum/

click meeting,,,,,race,,,,horse

That's if you want all of the horse's runs. If you simply want to look at the ratings for the last 3 starts, you can get them here:

http://www.tastab.com.au/racebet/fo...des/super_form/

So the ratings you posted yesterday Sportz...did you work them out or were they on the site

I worked them out, using the past ratings in the horse's form. They don't have ratings for upcoming races. Not that I know of anyway.

oh ok mate np....was just going to compare to mine...made a few changes last night....i still have trouble including a class factor in mine but think i have it right this time....still tweaking

Yeah, I'm still experimenting with them, and while I'm doing that, I'm not really outlaying much money on these horses. Just having a few Any 2 bets and a dollar or two on the top selections when they are good value like Mer Bebe the other day.

One of the things I'm finding beneficial about doing ratings is sorting out the best races to bet on. Because I don't want to rate more than 2 or 3 races at any meeting, it means I have to decide which races are the best ones to rate. I'm finding that I'm doing pretty well in sorting out the good betting races from the bad ones.

Wow, I could have had the first 4 on R5 in Melbourne. This is how I worked out the ratings using the Tas Tab website ratings:

08 PHANTOM THIEF 61.5 $3.45
04 MY VISION SPLENDID 60.5 $4.90
11 ROY'S GIFT 59.5 $6.90
01 SIR CLIVE 59.0 $7.80
02 MYSTIC MORSE 58.5 $9.05
03 FEN PRINCE 57.5 $12.30

You using weight ratings sports....i had 1st/3rd/4th

Gday All

this is a very interesting thread.. I rate nearly every race evry day... I have had a play with the TAssie ratings and up to race 7 there have been a phenomenal (sic) 5 out of 7 horses rated on top as the winner .. The other 2 had the horses rated in the first 4.. Lately I havent been able to rate an on top winner in melbourne for love or money so maybe this is helpful tool

The last race at 5.15 goes something like this (Have I jinxxed it or what?)

8 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
3000 Good 1MW-LY HCP $22000
1 $2.7 DOMINEER PRINCE
2 $3.6 PHAYES TIP
9 $4.9 OUR DRAWN
4 $8.5 CARDASH
3 $11.4 GLEFTI
6 $15.1 MOLLO MOLLO

Now bound to faill :)

My normal ratings are as follows:

Race 8 5:15 PM Castletown Handicap Rst 1 Met Win-LY
2 $2.6 Phayes Tip
1 $4.7 Domineer Prince
3 $6.3 Glefti
6 $8.2 Mollo Mollo
4 $11.0 Cardash
8 $11.0 Spicy Red

Yeah, although those Tas Tab ratings are apparently based on lengths, not kilos, I've still found that using them as weight ratings works out okay. For example, a rating of 565 on that website I just convert to 56.5 kgs. They've gone okay so far but I still need to study them a bit more.

XPT, could you please possibly list the top 4 rated horses in each of the first 7 races as you've worked them out?

Gday Spotz,

below are the top 6 for Sandown today... I must say that the tassie ratings as a basae have worked a treat in Melbourne but not so good elsewhere:


1 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1500 Good 3-Y-O FILLIES 1MW HCP $22000
3 $2.2 RAINBOW DANCER
2 $4.0 PUGNACIOUS
1 $5.3 SHE'S BONA FIDE
6 $9.2 FANNY
4 $12.3 BEACON HEIGHTS
5 $22.2 DISCRETIONARY

2 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1400 Good 3-Y-O 1MW HCP $22000
3 $3.1 DANAMAN
1 $4.1 ITS BOPALOUIE TIME
5 $5.5 SECRET COURIER
7 $5.5 RANSOM CLAIM
2 $7.4 SYDNEY EXPRESS
6 $17.2 BRIEFING

3 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1000 Good CLASS 6 HCP $22000
3 $2.5 RAID THE ROYALS
1 $3.3 DIFF
5 $5.8 SYSTEMATIC
2 $7.7 SLICK OPERATOR
6 $13.6 LACRYMA GOLD
7 $13.6 SPECIAL LEI

4 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1000 Good MARES CLASS 6 HCP $22000
1 $1.9 BLUE ROYALTY
2 $4.6 MAGELA DREAM
8 $8.1 TRIFOLD
4 $10.8 BLOW
9 $15.0 ANNIE'S QUEST
3 $19.4 TAKOOK


5 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1800 Good 1MW-LY HCP $22000
8 $3.7 PHANTOM THIEF
1 $5.0 SIR CLIVE
2 $5.0 MYSTIC MORSE
3 $6.6 FEN PRINCE
4 $8.9 MY VISION SPLENDID
11 $11.6 ROY'S GIFT

6 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1500 Good CLASS 6 HCP $22000
2 $3.9 KANE SMYTZER
1 $3.9 CAUVERY
4 $5.2 VIC BY THE JUG
3 $9.3 PRINCE BAA BAA
5 $9.3 TIFF'S MATE
8 $12.3 REGAL SYSTEM

7 SANDOWN HILLSIDE
1800 Good MARES 1MW-LY HCP $22000
1 $2.9 JURLIQUE
6 $5.2 MARY'S FLAG
7 $7.0 TAG JEUR
4 $9.2 OUR DIXIE GIRL
5 $12.2 CHERIE BERRIE BEE
2 $12.2 DELICATA

Good old 'last race' Damien Oliver. :)

So Sportz, which run do you use as the base rating, last start, last run at distance, best run at distance, best run in current preparation???

Well, I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible and at the moment, I'm simply taking an average of the horse's last run and the horse's highest rating recent run. If neither of those runs is comparable with today's race, then I may go back further into the horse's form, but as a rule, I usually try to concentrate mainly on a horse's last 3 starts if I can. Of course, when horses are first-up or second-up, well that's more of a problem.

It's hard to say Ron. Personally, i dont like to automate the base rating too much. I look at the 'good' ratings a horse does say in its last 4/5 runs. Then i look for a few things:

Can a horse be expecetd to improve at all (lightly raced, improving ratings)? Has it done a peak performance and now should revert to its old lesser form? Is a horse rating well below its best on going/distances that should suit? Has a dry tracker been hitting wet tracks recently?

That sort of stuff.

These were the races I looked at today:

SAND R5
08 PHANTOM THIEF 61.5 $3.45
04 MY VISION SPLENDID 60.5 $4.90
11 ROY'S GIFT 59.5 $6.90
01 SIR CLIVE 59.0 $7.80
02 MYSTIC MORSE 58.5 $9.05
03 FEN PRINCE 57.5 $12.30

SAND R6
04 VIC BY THE JUG 60.0 $2.50
05 TIFF'S MATE 58.0 $5.05
06 PHANTOM RUN 56.5 $7.65
08 REGAL SYSTEM 55.5 $10.50
02 KANE SMYTZER 54.0 $18.00
10 SIR GALAWAY 54.0 $18.00

SAND R7
01 JURLIQUE 59.0 $3.15
06 MARY'S FLAG 57.5 $5.30
05 CHERIE BERRIE BEE 56.5 $7.20
02 DELICATA 56.0 $8.35
07 TAG JEUR 54.0 $15.85
09 ZALS 54.0 $15.85

IPSW R6
03 TRANQUIL BLUE 51.0 $2.90
05 JACKSON HILL 50.5 $3.40
08 ALL BROWN 46.5 $12.05
06 DINNA ANCHOR 46.0 $14.45
11 BERNYARD 45.0 $20.65
04 GOLDIE'S SON 45.0 $20.65
01 JYI'S PROSPECT 45.0 $20.65

IPSW R7
05 FORD'S BRIDGE 43.5 $5.40
06 NAPLES AVENUE 43.0 $6.35
01 SHIBDEN GROVE 42.5 $7.70
10 MAGIC GOLD 42.0 $9.00
11 LOOK AT HIM 42.0 $9.00
02 WITH ASTAIRE 42.0 $9.00

IPSW R8
10 ROYAL DREAMER 56.5 $2.35
03 MISS GLORYHUNTER 53.5 $6.20
02 SOUND WAVES 53.0 $7.10
01 WINSOME LOOT 51.5 $11.75
08 GLAD FAIR 51.5 $11.75

WYONG R4
13 JON RON 51.5 $4.60
04 BELLE MARGUERITE 51.0 $5.35
03 LONGUEVILLE LASS 50.5 $6.55
02 CRESTON KING 49.5 $9.20
07 STADIO 48.5 $12.10
09 DRACAAN 48.5 $12.10

WYONG R6
02 GANAMAC 57.5 $2.75
01 GO GUS 54.5 $7.20
11 LOUP ROUGE 53.5 $9.80
06 KIR ROYALE 53.0 $11.40
10 MAMBO DANCER 53.0 $11.40
09 CEE WAY 52.5 $13.70

Not bad results as far as finding the winners, and a few good multiples as well. Some strange ones though with Royal Dreamer and Vic By The Jug rated so short and Kane Smytzer so long. That was one occasion when my method of concentrating on recent runs didn't work well. Have to keep experimenting with them until I find the right balance.

THERE IS NO HARD AND FAST LADS!!!!
 

Sportz you can't concentrate on recent form only, and you can't concentrate on old form only. You can't restrict to this distance, nor this state of the track. You can't take last start as gospel, nor can you ignore it. You can't average all runs, nor can you place too much emphasis on one only. To blandly paraphrase Euripides - "the best way is the middle way."

There is no easy answer. Know the horse, know what it can do on it's ratings, watch it run, see how it's going now, estimate given tomorrow's circumstances what it will do tomorrow. Then, price the race, bet the overs.

When you lose (this is VERY important) look back and work out why you under assessed it. When you win, enjoy the satisfaction that comes from being right and winning money out of it.

This will always be the best way.

Duritz.

Sorry forgot to explain why I said all that - Kane Smytzer was an obvious example of a horse with problems who had lengths of ability on that field. Assuming that it's recent bad form (ie two runs so far this prep, only two last prep) were indicative of it's TOTAL ability is like writing off Michael Jordan when he has a bad run.

(OK OK that's an exaggeration, but to quote someone else (can't remember who this time, and yes I am aware that I am using a second set of brackets inside the first right now (and I don't care (and why should I (I shouldn't)))) "Paint the truth in blood.")

Duritz.

You talk (write) a lot of sense Duritz but your wanton use of brackets shocks me to the core. I overuse brackets (sometimes normal ({othertimes curly [occasionally square]****) myself, but can't condone it in others. If you hadn't balanced them (5 left, 5 right) I would have reccomended you be struck from the forum.

"Me",,,"I'm into inverted commas",,,"and three or four commas in a row"......"Sometimes I use several full stops"....."but really I prefer the commas",,,,("I mean brackets are cool,,, ****"if you are heavily into brackets"****,,,"but for me inverted commas are a real turn on")

How bout my ranking formula....

=IF(B1&C1<>B2&C2,1,GJ1+1)

:D

Chrome I have absolutely no idea what that applies to. None at all. ([****?****])