The New Tipping Comp
 

OK if you've been following the other thread about this topic you'll have noted that we're trying to work out the details for the next tipping comp. I have come up with an idea for one, and I'll give it a go at running it too. Here's the rules:

-- All Saturday and Public Holiday meetings.
-- Choose between 1 and 10 selections, from any venue in Australia that NSW tab is betting on.
-- Theoretical $1 the win on each selection you choose, declared at NSW tote prices.
-- If you're selection wins, your score goes up by the PROFIT from the selection (ie if it wins and pays $4.50, your score goes up by $3.50), and if it loses, your score goes DOWN by $1.

That's it. Simple, easy. As I said in the other thread, it does have advantages -

1 - You can pick faves or roughies.
2 - The comp doesn't go skewiff is someone bags too big a winner, because you get ten selections if you should want that many to catch them up again.
3 - There's no disadvantage to only picking say 1 horse, because a losing bet registers as a -$1 anyway.
4 - Versatility as to which races you target, completely up to you.
5 - If you have to miss a meeting, it's OK as you're score just remains the same, and as scores aren't constantly increasing then remaining the same is OK.

I should add a sub rule though - which is this:

*** If you miss more than 1 meeting in a month, for that meeting your score goes DOWN by $10, ie you are assumed to have had ten selections and backed ten losers.

We'll start it this Saturday, and assess how it is going at the end of April.

Good luck all, post your tips here if you want to be involved!!!!

Oh yeah, post them by midday on the Saturday, to keep it fair, and if your first race is prior to midday, post them before your first race......

I like the idea and will definately be involved. It is exactly the way i like to bet-pick out a few specials around the country on a saturday and only bet on them. Scratchings obviously refunded?

Yes. Obviously if you get a scratching it would be just counted as a refund or $0.

Here's one thing though. Some people like to put their tips in on Friday and can't update on Saturday after final scratchings are known. If someone does this and only picks one horse which ends up being a scratching, theoretically they haven't had a bet that week. What do we do here?

Good idea about the -$10 by the way Duritz.

In the case of what Sportz just mentioned, I think the best thing to do is add a second selection, but state that it is an emergency. You could thereotically put as many emergencies as you like. This will stop that problem, because otherwise someone who is leading could put in one selection, who perhaps could ALREADY be scratched, and bypass the no tips rule. I don't think people would actually do that, but just in case.

Otherwise, yes if you only have one selection and neglect to have any emergencies and your selection is scratched, ten big ones goes the negative!!

PS - I am subject to that. I have often had to post on the Friday, so the rule is no advantage to me...

Yeah so let me know if you want to be in so I can get a good idea of numbers. As I said, it'll start this weekend, which means you can actually start posting now, as acceptances are through. No point posting "before acceptances" as the saying goes.

I'll have a go.

Duritz,
How long do you intend this comp to run?

Oh it'll run forever, of course. Until I die. And I'm 28, so.....

Just kidding. We'll see how it's going at the end of April. If it's going well we'll extend it, or euthanase it. First checkpoint is end of April, anyway.

Sounds OK I'm in.

new tipping comp
 

count me in

you are a very funnn ************...i'm in

count me in

yeah me too

Yep

Sounds like fun Duritz.Thanks for running it:)

Oh don't thank me yet, I could spit the dummy after week one!!!

(especially if I am sitting on -$10 after week one!)

I'll go first.

Syd-

R2 #6 R5 #7 R6 #8

Melb-

R3 #1

Great stuff - our first entrant!

I think I'll wait until Sat night when sitting here after the races with a couple of beers, my little girl and me watching the Lions kill Port Adelaide, and I'll tally them then.

Good luck to everyone who participates.

Busy weekend coming up so I'll get in early:
MR4 - 1
MR5 - 2
MR6 - 4
MR7 - 2
MR8 - 8
SR2 - 5
SR4 - 1
SR5 - 8
SR6 - 7
SR7 - 1

MR5 No.10 Annie la Vie
SR2 No.5 Glasnost
SR8 No.7 Pantani
BR7 No.12 Sonic Peak

Sydney:
1-4
2-6
5-9
8-2
9-2

Melbourne:
2-1
6-4

Doomben:
4-1

Morphetville:
2-4

I'll have a go Duritz, if thats all good :)

BR1 - Allegro Spiritoso
BR4 - Any Suggestion
BR7 - Mighty Stronghold
SR1 - Barberton
SR5 - Under The Floor
SR9 - Racer's Success

Thanks for the comp,

Sven

I'll be in it please.

Cheers,

H.

SR1. 8
SR2. 4
SR3. 4
SR5. 8
SR7. 1

gold coast
Race1. 5

Here's mine

melb
4-3
6-1
7-1

syd
6-8
8-10

doom
5-2
6-4

ade
5-6
7-3

bel
3-1


EMERGENCIES

Should any of the above be scratched:

1st em Toowoomba 5-8
2nd em mv 5-3

new tipping comp
 

Randwick
Race 1 No 2 Ta Ta Tatania
Race 4 No 15 Accumulate
Race 5 No 4 Replicator
Race 8 No 7 Pantani
Race 9 No 8 Fourofakind
Belmont
Race 2 No 9 Taane Maya
Race 5 No 14 Professional Lady
Doomben
Race 6 No 5 Cuchulainn's Leap
Morphettville
Race 7 No 6 Lemonade Party
Moonee Valley
Race 4 No3 Centashani

Good Luck to all

Friedman Family Outsiders Tipping Competition
 

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Unfortunately, this competition only considers winning selections.

As we always select outsiders, and win if our selections only come 2nd or 3rd, we would have no chance in this competition. Therefore we have to decline from entering until such time as the competition allows $1 each way.
Why have you decided on win bets only - surely the idea is to win money.
.
Cheers,
Friedman Family
...

Syd
R2-6
R3-2
R6-7
R9-4

Melb
R4-1
R5-2
R6-4

Adel
R3-9
R4-5
R5-3

SR1-6 PENTELIKON
SR3-3 FORCE APOLLO
SR4-1 EREMEIN
SR9-2 GABFEST

MR2-4 CHARTED
MR4 -1 MANGO DAIQUIRI
MR7-3 HIDDEN STRINGS

BR1-2 SHE’S DECENT

AR7-1 LIONS GATE

PR4-1 POWER MAK

Duritz do you get a fresh $10 to bet with every saturday, or does the $10 reduce by the number of losses? In effect ten bets ten losses you could be gone from the comp day one.

SR1 NO6 PENTELIKON
SR2 NO4 CHELSEA ROSE
SR3 NO2 WORDS OF MAGIC
SR4 NO1 EREMEIN
SR5 NO8 FASHIONS AFIELD
SR6 NO1 REGAL ROLLER
SR7 NO11 SAVABEEL
SR8 NO2 COUNTY TYRONE
SR9 NO4 STRIKING VICTORY

SR 3 #4 Chester County
SR 5 #1 Danger Looms
SR 6 #6 Special Harmony
SR 7 #3 Toulouse Lautrec
SR 8 #7 Pantani

MR 5 #10 Annie La Vie

BR 7 #18 Fires of Ireland
BR 8 #9 Strong Suit

Doom R6-4 Shady Brady
Rand R8-5 Mahtoum
MVal R2-4 Charted
MVal R6-4 Country Lodge
MVal R8-6 Shackled Rose
Morp R5-6 Suzie Mine
Belm R4-3 Ser Grill
Belm R7-6 Modaney
KGra R5-3 Al Khafra
Bend R6-6 Fonteyn Star

Randwick:

Race 1: 8.Valda Merceda
Race 2: 5.Glasnost
Race 4: 1.Eremein
Race 5: 8.Fashions Afield

Moonee Valley:

Race 3: 1.Leveller
Race 5: 3.Tarn Princess
Race 6: 1.Grundy's Crossing
Race 7: 2.Mirranatwa
Race 8: 9.Mangiare

Morphettville:

Race 4: 1.Taos Pleasure

Cheers,

H.

SRO2 No. 3 Canny Princess
SRO4 No. 2 Magnetism
SRO7 No. 11 Savabeel
SRO9 No. 2 Gabfest
MRO2 No. 4 Charted

SR1 NO5 LUCIDIA
SR2 NO3 CANNY PRINCESS
SR3 NO3 fORCE APOLLO
SR4 NO2 MAGNETISM
SR5 NO3 UNDER THE FLOOR
SR6 NO1 REGAL ROLLER
SR7 NO4 MUMMIFY
SR8 NO2 COUNTY TYRONE
SR9 NO8 FOUROFAKIND

SR 6 (7) Only Words
SR 8 (10) Padfoot Charlie
SR 9 (4) Striking Victory
MR 4 (3) Centashani
MR 7 (1) Joy Of Flight
MR 8 (5) Montserrat
BR 2 (2) Aerosol
BR 6 (4) Shady Brady
AR 5 (3) Not Abandoned
AR 7 (8) Secret Daughter

Cheers.

In response to those two queries:

Friedman Family, of the Famous Friedman Family Outsiders: Granted your selections will make a profit on an each way basis, but not having an each way component to this comp doesn't mean that your selections aren't worth submitting! Sure if you're selecting roughies then you'll probably have long runs of outs for the win, but that doesn't matter because one forty dollar winner cancels out heaps of them losers!! Submit the tips anyway, starting with next week. I'm sure your selections go better for the win than for the place anyway. Place odds are not great value long term. If you all want to be in, we can start you all off on 0 next Saturday. Go on, you don't need the place bit. Plus, it'd double my workload and when all's said and done win is a good test of how a method is performing.

Kiwi - yes you get a "fresh" ten dollars every week. That is to say, each week you are allowed to outlay a dollar on up to ten selections, regardless of how you've gone the previous week. I should add that you can't carry unused dollars over, nor does not using all $10 mean you get those dollars unused added to your total, if they're unused, they're unused.

Results shortly.

OK everyone here goes.

I have tallied the results. I THINK I have got them all right, but if I have gotten something wrong (which is a greater certainty than Grand Armee was today) then tell me, otherwise, well miracles do happen.

I should note I am using supertab prices, for consistency because soon the NSW tab is going to be part of supertab.

OK, so on a day when a lot of people went very close, a lot of placegetters but not a huge amount of winners. Still, the tipping was quite good, but it was like Greg Chappell - good tipsters out of luck.

Continuing the trend of the organiser of the comp leading it, I am leading it! However, my lead is paltry and soon to be annihilated by someone with a good winner.

Thanks for participating all, here's the table:

player bets wins collects Profit/loss %POT
Duritz 10 2 10.9 0.9 9%
Sportz 10 3 10.6 0.6 6%
Chuck 8 2 8.2 0.2 2%
Goldcoaster 10 3 9.3 -0.7 -7%
Real Deal 4 1 3.1 -0.9 -23%
sirpent 9 2 6.2 -2.8 -31%
testarossa 10 1 6.9 -3.1 -31%
Seeker11 4 0 0 -4 -100%
bl4dez 6 1 1.9 -4.1 -68%
Svenvlad 6 1 1.7 -4.3 -72%
feather 10 2 5.6 -4.4 -44%
mercurial 5 0 0 -5 -100%
zorro 10 2 4.7 -5.3 -53%
raw instinct 8 0 0 -8 -100%
kiwi 9 0 0 -9 -100%
Random 10 0 0 -10 -100%
Heavyweight 10 0 0 -10 -100%

Hmm that's pretty hard to read, so I've added the spreadsheet with the results here as an attachment.

Yep. Amazed that I'm in second and surprised that I even made a profit. I reckon I had a shocker! :o

It must have been a hard day for tipping.