Hi all - as a newcomer to the punting game
I'm grateful for the advice/tips/systems
you good people provide.
Any advice on trifecta betting.

Hi TAM - Welcome.

One good method that I have used is to use my selection, providing it is at good odds, as a roving banker in the trifecta.(you collect as long as your selection runs a place).
It costs a fair bit more than your normal trifecta but is very effective where you pick a horse at 10/1 or better and the race is very open. You can collect some big dividends especially when an outsider wins and your selection runs second.

EI - thanks vm your prompt response - does this mean I should add your selection - ie box four horses rather than the three?
(told you I was an amateur)...

Tam if you have a selection yourself, say you like horse (5) for example you bet it this way:

5-Field-Field
Field-5-Field
Field-Field-5

I know it's expensive, but your selection should be 10/1 or better and you must be confident it can run a place.
I have seen huge results especially over the Spring Carnival....and on wet tracks in Winter!

Just an idea, don't take this as gospel as you may not have the bank to withstand a long series of outs.

Just a small twist on Equine Investor's idea.

When you have narrowed your selections down to say 4 runners and you are going to box them, if you are absolutely sure on the credentials of one of them, you could rove it through the other three and it would help save some money.

Murphy's law states that now and then the other three not roving will score though and you wonder why you did it!

Example.

Box 4 at 50c = $12
One standout rover (whatever terminology you wish to apply) plus three other selections = $9.

Good luck and stick with it.

Placegetter

PS. Establish a bank!

Tam

You mention that you are an amateur when it comes to punting.

Be aware that trifectas are among the most difficult of bets to win - that's why the dividends are often huge.

Take my advice and learn as much as you can about betting in general before you even consider punting as a profitable business.

This forum offers some great information and there are always people willing to provide you with answers to questions you may have.

Take all ideas on board, do some research and even when you feel confident that you might have struck something like a winning method, trial it on paper for a while before risking your money.

Research and information are the key words. There is no need to rush into things. There are always races to bet on. When you ARE ready to bet you can then bet with at least some degree of confidence.

Privateer

I meant to mention that trifectas were the reason I became a place bettor. My rover was coming in the first three more often than not, but I just couldn't find the other two. Or at the time didn't have deep enough pockets to cover most of the field as in Equine Investor's example.

Good luck and take Privateer's advice. Paper trade!

I looked at some stats for placegettors in an attempt to find some common factors.

Stats aren't much help in this case, they are good to help find winners, but plenty of placegettors have a wide range of characteristics.

However, if one can identify the winner thru stats, then its a just a matter of finding the other 2 placegettors.

WHAT I FOUND:
# Most placegettors are in top 12 by pre-post market.
# Ran in top 6 at either of past 2 starts
# Ranked in top 12 by $$/race
# Win % of 10%+
# Place % of 33%+
# Distance - if 2 or more starts, 33% place record.

Don't think this will eliminate many horses however. So one is left with a combo like:
1st - standout 1 horse
2nd & 3rd - box 8 or 9 horses.

Cost for half unit of $36.
Flexi for $5 = 7%.

ANYONE ELSE WITH SOME IDEAS ON ANY OF THIS??

Try this
Target races with 7-9 races only.
4 runners 1st.
5 " 2nd.
7 " 3rd. Cost $80@$1.00ea.

Calculation is done like this 4*4*5=80.
You deduct 1 off 2nd. sels. then deduct 2 off the 3rd. sels.
Keep this formula, you will need it.

You will need a bank of at least 80 times your bet beceause runs of 30 outs are common.
The odds will not be denighed.
You will find the first 10 in the pre-post market in the newspaper will dominate most winning trifectas.

Even with 7-9 runners you will find it challenging .
Do a dry run of at least 150 races with past or future results.
Try a method of sorting them in AVERAGE PRIZE MONEY ORDER,
its just as good as anything else beceause the place getters (2nd,& 3rds)quit often defy logic.

Check it out & share your findings.

G'day Tam,
If you're new to punting, trifectas may not be the ideal way to go. You can experience a long, long, long time between drinks. Taking large multiple combinations adds up to a lot of dough with no guarantee that individual payouts will return any value dividend. I agree 100 percent with Privateer - do your trial on paper - and on FUTURE, not past races. Good luck Tam and if you ever work out the mysteries of the trifecta, let us all know! :smile:

PS: It will be the QUALITY of your selections, not the quantity of your combinations, that will keep you in the game.

Hi Tam,
You may find this of interest. It is what I call "Frames" because it frames trifecta standouts against a field of prices. I sometimes use it for my social betting at the pub on Saturday nights.

There are many frames depending on the number of runners you include in your frame and the amount of money you want to bet. Not being a real punter I use only 6 standouts for $6 at half unit bet ($3). You don't have to use a set frame but at least you know how much your ticket is going to cost.

The frames work this way. Use small fields - dogs are good. You see a set of prices, select 4 runners and then match a frame against the field of prices.

As an example of a trifecta bet take the following 4 runners which may be from a field of 8 runners -

A $1.80
B $4.30
C $6.10
D $9.70

I might use one of the following 3 Frames for my 6 standouts bet -
The 'x' denotes a selectected finishing position 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

Frame 1
1 2 3 (Position number)
A x
B x x
C x x
D x x

Frame 2
1 2 3 (Position number)
A x x
B x x
C x x
D x

Frame 3
1 2 3 (Position number)
A x x
B x x
C x x
D x

I normally have the frame patterns on a piece of paper. You still have to pick the runners of course but it is a cheaper way of doing trifectas than boxing all 4 (which is $24 for a ful bet).

Sorry Tam, the formatting did no present the frames proerly. Here they are again without the runner references A, B, C and D.

Frame 1
1 2 3
x - -
- x x
- x x
- x x

Frame 2
1 2 3
x x -
x x -
- x x
- - x

Frame 3
x x -
x - x
x - x
- x -

You starting to confuse the poor lad.

If you're still learning - start off with $1 each way bets. After a few wins, increase your bets to $2.50 e/w. After a few weeks, start betting $5 e/w. Then when you're really confident start betting for win only.

From there, you can work your way into trifectas/quinellas/doubles etc....

Trend

As a matter of interest, over what time frame did you analyse the placegetters to achieve the statistical results you posted?

Was the analysis restricted to metro or country tracks or both?

Were rain affected tracks taken into account?

Privateer

WOW - what a response. Thanks a ton troops - certainly heaps of info to work on.

Placegetter - I was particularly interested that after experimenting you finally opted for place betting - might be a more conservative way for me to start betting also (learning from YOUR experience - rather than reinventing the wheel).

Regards to all...

tam..my advice is stick to races of quality ie. group races,carnival times,the pools allow you to include favoured horses without you having to accept poor divs,i have stuck to this maxim and have had some very large collects,good luck