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wesmip1 29th August 2007 11:00 PM

Strike rates
 
All,

What are peoples thoughts on acceptable strike rates ? Personally I think it depends on the number of bets ... What is your thinking on:

1 bet a day ?
2-5 bets a day ?
5-10 bets a day ?
10+ bets a day ?
Every race ?

Personally I think you need the following :

1 bet a day - 40%
2-5 bets a day - 33%
5-10 bets a day - 25%
10+ bets a day - 20%
Every race - 20%

Any thoughts ?

Good Luck.

partypooper 30th August 2007 01:02 AM

wesmip1, not exactly the answer you were looking for but a few years ago I did a lot of research on pre-post favs, & 2nd favs using various publications for comparison, the first thing that became apparent was that there was very little difference in S/R & LOT between publications, and aslo very little difference between (S/R & LOT) pre-post v actual favs.

So believing I could tilt the S/R in my favour I picked just one pre post fav per day, I did this over an extended time (on paper) after 50 or so hypothetical bets a pattern emerged, i.e. the S/R & LOT were the same as if all pre-post favs had been backed, or if any number had been picked randomly or otherwise. I carried on for several hundred Hypo bets but it was obvious what was happening and I gave up.

I also tried "handicapping" the pre-post favs sorta, and yes, again S/R increased, but the LOT increased in proportion again.

Now the disconcerting thing is that when the actual pre-post price was taken into consideration the S/R increased dramatically the lower the pre-post odds, but the LOT increased in proportion.

What I'm suggesting is that no matter how many bets you place per day your overall S/R and LOT (or POT if you are a clever boy) over an extended period of time will always remain the same???

YoungBuck 30th August 2007 08:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wesmip1
All,

What are peoples thoughts on acceptable strike rates ? Personally I think it depends on the number of bets ... What is your thinking on:

1 bet a day ?
2-5 bets a day ?
5-10 bets a day ?
10+ bets a day ?
Every race ?

Personally I think you need the following :

1 bet a day - 40%
2-5 bets a day - 33%
5-10 bets a day - 25%
10+ bets a day - 20%
Every race - 20%

Any thoughts ?

Good Luck.
I am currently having 2-5 bets per day (well i was until EI) and over the last few months have averaged 35% s/r @ 4.36 for one method, and 34% s/r @ 5.71 with another method. So that is very close to what you are suggesting. Average winning dividend must come in to consideration or the strike rate is completely irrelevent.....

AngryPixie 30th August 2007 10:57 AM

Wes

I've always thought that strike rates taken in isolation are largely irrelevant. It's not size that counts, it's what you do with it :rolleyes:

moeee 30th August 2007 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungBuck

averaged 35% s/r @ 4.36 for one method
and 34% s/r @ 5.71 with another method.



You seen the Move..THE CASTLE?
If so then you'll understand when I say..."Tell him he's dreaming"
Unless it's true...then you must live in or own a castle. :)

YoungBuck 30th August 2007 12:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
You seen the Move..THE CASTLE?
If so then you'll understand when I say..."Tell him he's dreaming"
Unless it's true...then you must live in or own a castle. :)
Would you like to see my results? Guess that wouldn't prove anything.

I did say it was over the past 2 months so maybe i've just been super lucky.

No Castle just yet, but a mortgage the size of one though.....

'It's just...the vibe of the thing. I rest my case'

AngryPixie 30th August 2007 12:42 PM

Hows the serenity?

YoungBuck 30th August 2007 12:52 PM

so much serenity......Lol.

partypooper 30th August 2007 04:55 PM

Cont... One thing I did which managed to show a slight profit, or at least break even was backing the pre-post fav (I used WA TAB-FORM) at Top Fluc. with a minimum price stipulation equal to the pre-post odds eg. pre=post fave = Black Tom quoted @ 3-1, ($4) bet reads $100 (eg) to win Black Tom @ Top Fluctuation, with a minimum price accepted of 3-1. ($4)

So Black Tom wins at 2-1 but had a Top Fluc of 3-1 ($4) bet is on,

eg 2 Black Tom wins at $3.75 but Top Fluc was $3.80 bet is off

eg 3 Black Tom loses, Top Fluc was $3.80 Bet is OFF

I never did the work out but I suspect that it would turn into profit if the Minimum price accepted was say 2 points in excess of the Pre-post eg.

$100 win Black Tom (PPP was 3-1) minimum price accepted = 5-1,

Bets would reduce dramatically but I suspect a profit would be made! I say this because, bets just taken overall or at random (over time) showed about 30% S/R and a LOT of around 10-12%

crash 30th August 2007 05:48 PM

There is one way Party to decrease LOT and get into POT from your analysis and it's called betting 'choice'. Throw in some decent handicapping and betting on well perceived overlays only and results can be turned to POT.


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