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Crackone 24th April 2008 05:01 PM

Statistics can you follow them?
 
I am trying to build a system. I have results starting from 15 March this year to now. 533 selections.
return 79% for win and 83% place using Unitab prices.

Analyzing the results seems to throw up some odd things.
eg.
Race No.3 44 selections 16% S/R for a return of 39% at Unitab prices
Race No.2 42 selections 45% S/R for a return of 131% unitab prices.

Looking at these two races closer
R2. 50% of the winners are three year olds (they make up 28% of all the selections in R2)
R3. only 13% winners are three year olds but they make up 50% of all the selections

So the Question is do you (going by statistics) back all three year olds in race two and lay them in race three? or do you need more results?

jacfin 24th April 2008 06:21 PM

If you are discriminating by age I would suggest that you would need data from each month of the year.
A 3yo in Sept is obviously not as mature as one at this time of the year.

Crackone 24th April 2008 07:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jacfin
If you are discriminating by age I would suggest that you would need data from each month of the year.
A 3yo in Sept is obviously not as mature as one at this time of the year.
Not so much as discriminating just an observation. The three year olds are returning 102% for metro and only 58% for non metro.(151 runners) but do agree with you about maturity.

Bhagwan 24th April 2008 09:27 PM

Stats often show some very interesting observations.
It raises the question of how far into the future one can rely on them to sustain the statistical average .

This is where one has to have a cut off point as to volumn of losses that should be entertained before we cease betting until another result shows up.

Here are some other observations that I have found.

Race No.1 has the highest SR in RadioTAB top 2 than any other races No.

Any Hurdle race in Melb Races No.2 only has a 79% place SR on the market Fav,

Try & keep in mind that the stats can often change in the following year.

Just like the ever shifting sands of the dessert.

Cheers.

Crackone 25th April 2008 08:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
Stats often show some very interesting observations.
It raises the question of how far into the future one can rely on them to sustain the statistical average .
Try & keep in mind that the stats can often change in the following year.
Cheers.
This has crossed my mind, you would think it should even out over time (how much time? how many races?) Not betting anything at the moment still collecting data.

Bhagwan 25th April 2008 09:42 AM

As an exercise it would be interesting to see if an idea that works well over 4 previous years then have the data available to see if the idea worked say 10 years ago.
I feel not many systems would survive the test.

I found that a min of 4 years data is the min to work off, if checking to see if an idea will possible fly in the future.

If one is into researching ideas, it is hard to go past the brilliant GTX
It will cost money to use it, approx $100 a week for updates & day to day data.
Past results for each year can be purchased going back approx 9 years.

I found many ideas that worked well over say 3 years then fell in a hole on year 4.
Thats the weird thing in the fascinating world of system research.

"Why is it so?" one may ask,to coin an old popular saying from the much loved, professior Sumner Miller .

Cheers.

Top Rank 25th April 2008 12:36 PM

Did it come back on year 5.
It is OK to have a down year, as long as it is not too far down.
If you have a number of strategies you should be fine.

Bhagwan 26th April 2008 02:11 AM

Your right there , I had dozens of them all running at once.
The SR was 25% averaged out accross the board , this never changed, but for some reason, the average price started getting lower & lower.

I then found, that if I did'nt double up on horses already selected by two or more methods, the profit was greater.

In other words , just because something is mentioned 2 or 3 times, does not neccessarily mean that it has 2 or 3 times more chance of getting up.

Cheers.


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