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crash 24th June 2009 05:04 PM

Form from slowly run races
 
Post deleted. No acknowledgement of the writer or the source of the article. Posting huge chunks of someone's writings is usually a breach of copyright. Moderator.

Moderator 3 24th June 2009 07:07 PM

Where is the source for that article please? Also, is it a copyright protected article? If so you are not permitted to copy and paste the article. Moderator 3.

Steve M 24th June 2009 08:59 PM

I don't really get the point of the article, it's written like slowly run races are some exception we rarely see. The opposite is the truth. Majority of races tend to be horses show speed early, find a position then settle till the sprint home.

“Take little notice of race results where the overall time is slow” could only be good advice on the assumption the majority of races aren't slowly run. I'd say that's incorrect. You don't ignore it, you just have to analyse further.

And all form is relative. Any horse can run any distance, carry any weight, handle any condition against the right [inferior] competition.

Maurice 24th June 2009 09:30 PM

A piece of the puzzle, if your a hcp'r maybe a reason you look elsewhere for that qualifying run...and in the recent past, say, the last 2 years , I hear, watching a race many a speed map has been thrown in the bin with a whats the point feel to it.

Reckless 24th June 2009 09:58 PM

Why do we see such great variation in pace these days ?. Is it due to better tactics developed by jockeys / trainers - perhaps international influence with different riding styles etc ? Maybe more initiative given to jockeys to make an on the spot decision.

Brendon 24th June 2009 09:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moderator 3
Where is the source for that article please? Also, is it a copyright protected article? If so you are not permitted to copy and paste the article. Moderator 3.
Just as a clarification for myself, I thought you were only not supposed to post the whole article. The whole article isn't posted here.

Moderator 3 24th June 2009 10:39 PM

On my understanding depending on the length of a copyright article a paragraph or a few paragraphs are OK for fair comment. Acknowledgement of the source must also be provided.

crash 25th June 2009 07:23 AM

It was not the whole article [about 5000 less words]. As the writer owns another website relating to racing and also sells a selection service, I thought the rule here was not to publish other site names that might compete with this site [?]

As far as copyright goes, yes there is copyright on material sent to selection service and sectional times clients [and I was one for 12 mths], but not on freely available material on the site. Nothing I posted in this thread or any other was or has been from any information I received as a client. In hindsight I should have printed the author's name, but that would have lead to the site ...Catch 22.

I'm quite happy to put the author's name as a credit on the [part] article, but it is no longer here.

lomaca 25th June 2009 07:33 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by crash
Catch 22.
yes crash,
not wanting to inflame the matter but I agree with you.
I'm familiar with both the site and the article in question, I even thought to myself, crash is learning and behaving himself by blocking the reference to the site.
There is such a thing as being afraid of one's own shadow I think!

Good luck

Maurice 25th June 2009 08:40 AM

The effect of this article was far more interesting than the actual article.

I am not sure about catch 22. When i joined, i read the forum rules.
I did not pay to become a member, before joining , read pages upon pages of threads, all for free. I am really knowledgeable and make a living gambling on horses and am unlikely to become a customer(personally). BUT!

If i was NEW to racing and maybe the internet in this area, checking out the websites, products, weighing up what to buy, who's the best ...why would i buy a product from a website who's actual long term members keep sending me elsewhere. A potential client is hoping all the answers are here.


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