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moeee 11th June 2011 10:29 AM

The MEADOWS
 
RACE 1

8 STANFORD BALE $2.6
4 PROFICIENT $5
1 TANIA TWO SHOES $9
6 SHIRAZ COLOUR $12
2 BOGGY SPITFIRE $14
5 ROXY'S FLAME $14
3 DYNA BROWNLOW $20
10 FLINDOSY BALE $50

#8 STANFORD BALE is much better than these , but has to get around the First turn safely , and Box 8 makes it a little tricky.

moeee 11th June 2011 12:01 PM

RACE 2

8 RYBENBROOK $2.1
4 GAELIC BALE $3.5
5 ELMIRA BALE $14
3 LARA'S ROCK $20
6 KEEP ME COVERED $25
7 CREWSAN JAY JAY $30
1 LEVER FOOTPRINT $33
2 SELECT BREAKER $40

Either #8 RYBENBROOK gets around the turn safley , and Wins , or it doesn't , leaving only one other animal capable of winning , #4 GAELIC BALE.

moeee 11th June 2011 01:16 PM

RACE 3

7 MYSTIC APPLE $2.6
2 TESLA $5.4
5 STEPPING STONE $6.8
6 STOKED $9.6
3 JUSTIN BALE $16
4 ARVO'S JOSIE $16
8 LEKTRA ANGEL $20
10 TWO EYE CEE $80

It looks to me like #7 MYSTIC APPLE leads all the way in this.

moeee 11th June 2011 02:26 PM

RACE 4

8 EMO APPEAL $2.4
3 SHAIANE BALE $6.2
4 AMANDA BALE $7.5
2 SERENE PASSION $8.6
1 SHINY SUDOKU $16
5 SELECT OCTANE $16
7 COOL CHECKOUT $20
6 ELUSIVE LOMAR $66

A Field full of Slow Beginners means #8 EMO APPEAL crosses easily and leads all the way.

woof43 11th June 2011 03:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
RACE 1

8 STANFORD BALE $2.6
4 PROFICIENT $5
1 TANIA TWO SHOES $9
6 SHIRAZ COLOUR $12
2 BOGGY SPITFIRE $14
5 ROXY'S FLAME $14
3 DYNA BROWNLOW $20
10 FLINDOSY BALE $50

#8 STANFORD BALE is much better than these , but has to get around the First turn safely , and Box 8 makes it a little tricky.


The #8 is a better dog on a 1 turn track, its had a half dozen poor runs on two turn tracks, but you'd struggle to find a bad run on a 1 turner.
1 5.051
2 5.117
3 5.168
4 5.095
5 5.083
6 5.124
7 5.265
8 5.089

There maybe 4 dogs inside of it capable of keeping it off the track, i have it (#8)about $5 to be in the first two at the first turn, so it's a bit short for mine. I think the #2 is good value to slip on the rails behind the #1 as it pushes off the track.

moeee 11th June 2011 04:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by woof43
I have it (#8)about $5 to be in the first two at the first turn, so it's a bit short for mine.


A bit short for yours.
Well its also a bit short for mine as well probably.

So how do you handle the Race Wager?
I would probably not bother backing it straight out , but will take it Blonk in some Exotics.
How do you handle situations Woof43 where you have something as Favourite , but Joe Public has it even more shorter?

moeee 11th June 2011 04:14 PM

RACE 5

5 MAMIE BALE $4.4
1 BRECKENRIDGE $5
3 ARAZI $6
2 SHREDDED CHEESE $6.5
8 MOVEMBER MAC $14
4 BEAVER BAY $14
6 CLOVALLEY BOONE $16
7 BOWL ALONG $16

I have zero knowledge of #1 and #3 , so My Open Market probably reflects that , rather than an accurate representation of My Studies.
The Field in the 1st Leg of a FlexiQuaddie wouldn't be a bad idea.
Plus another with the top 4 selections.

woof43 11th June 2011 05:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
A bit short for yours.
Well its also a bit short for mine as well probably.

So how do you handle the Race Wager?
I would probably not bother backing it straight out , but will take it Blonk in some Exotics.
How do you handle situations Woof43 where you have something as Favourite , but Joe Public has it even more shorter?


If investing on the exotics, this type of Favourite means you have to be very specific with your wagering, you don't go wide for third place, here is an example 1= fav. the other numbers are tote rankings, 1/all/8 =-77%
1/all/678 = -30%
its not until you drop off those longer ranked dogs do you start to head into positive territory.
Then for the 2nd position you find the negative expectations are in dogs ranked 4,5,and 6 in the betting, so your going to play either end for 2nd.

woof43 11th June 2011 05:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
A bit short for yours.
Well its also a bit short for mine as well probably.

So how do you handle the Race Wager?
I would probably not bother backing it straight out , but will take it Blonk in some Exotics.
How do you handle situations Woof43 where you have something as Favourite , but Joe Public has it even more shorter?


As I do change my price when there are certain types of market forces, in some situations I will still be on those that start shorter.
Look at this dog in Race 1 #8 , its had 38 starts, its had 2 long spells in its career and its got a good win ratio, since its last spell or just prior its raced 12 times for only 1 win, so it won about 9 out of 26 starts prior, that tells me its either not been fully fit or struggled in grade/class
Win betting I can let this dog slide at its current price, but include in the exotics, in doubles i have it only with the next race 3 outsiders

moeee 11th June 2011 05:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by woof43
here is an example 1= fav. the other numbers are tote rankings
1/all/8 =-77%
1/all/678 = -30%

its not until you drop off those longer ranked dogs do you start to head into positive territory.
Then for the 2nd position you find the negative expectations are in dogs ranked 4,5,and 6 in the betting, so your going to play either end for 2nd.


Are these conclusions determined by Mathematical Laws , or are they observed situations caused by erroneous behaviour by Joe Public , brought on by poor knowledge of Mathematics as demonstrated by many Members of Many Forums.

I figure the latter.

My own method would be more based around how I handicapped the Race.
Not in my wildest dreams would I consider placing My 2 Worst animals in 2nd position in my exotics.
That simply negates the hard work involved in the study.


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