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michaelg 26th June 2011 10:03 AM

Test Last Start winners
 
Unfortunately I haven't recorded the results but from what I can recall it seems there could be some merit with each-way betting, so I'll now record them...and hope.

Coonamble
5/1

Cranbourne
8/13

Kalgoorlie
3/1
4/6
6/9

Murwillumbah
5/8

Sun Coast
6/2
7/3

W'bool
1/1

Shaun 26th June 2011 11:11 AM

If you restricted that to 7 days and prices under $5 you might just make a profit.

The Ocho 26th June 2011 11:28 AM

Ha ha ha.

I have been lay testing this for the last week and a half as I thought as I looked at the form that there really aren't that many 11 form lines. Most times the horse doesn't win next start and so I thought that may make it a good laying system. It is also something that can be back tested since time immemorial (or at least since form guides have been produced).

I tested it both at level stakes and a $30 liability (so you could do the minimum bet on Betfair) and, up until yesterday, it was looking good at laying between $6-$15. Under $6 actually backing the horses was showing a profit. Yesterday (Saturday) turned everything on it's head with big level stakes and liability losses.

I hope you can come up with something with the each way thing.

By the way, I have a lot more horses than you for today that either came first last start or first before a spell (which I have also been trying). Yesterday there were 86 horses which fell into the above category and today there are 27 races with qualifying horses (some races there are more than 1 selection).

Good Luck.

michaelg 26th June 2011 11:40 AM

Shaun, I've previously had a look restricting the selection's last start to 7 day's, but from what I can remember it didn't make too much of a difference.

There are 3 selections today whose last start was seven days ago - they are the Kalgoorlie selections. We'll see how they go.

The Ocho, I don't select every last start winner. There are filters including if it won its last two starts then I omit it.

darkydog2002 26th June 2011 01:16 PM

Michaelg,
Have you considered the Don Scott "Price asessment" as a filter with this.
i.e
Sunshine Coast
Race 6 H 2 (asessed @.2.70
Race 7 H 3 $3.10
Murwillumbah
R 5 H 8 $3.00
Kalgoorlie
R 3 H 1 $2.45
R 4 H 6 $2.10
R 6 H 9 $1.50

CoonambleR 5 H 1 $2.75
Cranbourne
R 8 H 13 $4.20
Warnambool
R 1 H 1 $1.16 (steeple race)

Cheers
darky

michaelg 26th June 2011 03:44 PM

Darky, I haven't considered the prices.

I'm might not be at a computer during some of the arvo, however I could put a price limit on Betfair S.P.

Interestingly there have been two winners so far:

W'bool 1/1, rated $1.16 paying $1.40
S.Coast 7/3, rated $3.10 paying $5.80.

Stix 26th June 2011 08:16 PM

Value last start winners.....:cool:

Using R&S
1) Last Start Winner
2) Not a Track Winner
3) Not in UniTab top 3 selections
4) 100 UniTab 100 ptr rater
5) Good Track Only

Last Start winner = seems decent place to start
Not a Track Winner = Track winners are over bet, we are looiking for a better price
Not in Top 3 = again, not over bet and not a favoured runner
100 pt rater = no a hopeless conveyance *shrug*
Good track = no excuses!!

S/Rate 25%
Av Div $5.6
POT 39%

michaelg 27th June 2011 11:07 AM

Thanks, Stix.

I assume it applies to the top neural rater using the default settings?


From yesterday's 9 selections there were 3 winners for a return of $10.40 but a return of only $3.84 for the Place, two selections ran fourth.

Today's selections:

Goulburn
4/7
6/5
8/1

michaelg 27th June 2011 11:47 AM

I had a look at yesterday's qualifiers but were not the final selections because they did not win their last start.

The ones that ran second at last start did not fare too badly. There were 12 of these for 3 winners paying a total of $13.00, and 8 placegetters paying $13.10, giving a small each-way profit.

Out of interest, today's selections for those that ran second at their last start are:

Echuca
3/13
5/14

Goulburn
2/1
8/3

We'll see how they go.

darkydog2002 27th June 2011 12:13 PM

With the Don Scott price asessment I recall a gentleman telling me those rated at $1.50 or less had a very high strike rate.
What minimum price acceptable would be up to you but food for thought.
Cheers
darky


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