Perth

Moon Talk*

Melb
Mr Murphy
Barabba rOAD
Maybe Bushido or Starcraft n the guineas

Sydney

Exceed and Excel
Ambulance + In top swing dangers
Zanna
Hinting

Bris

Ta ta tatiana

Melbourne

Race 2: #11 Zankel
Race 6: #5 Starcraft
Race 7: #3 Lightsweeper
Race 8: #9 Bird Dancer


Sydney

Race 5: #5 Ambulance
Race 6: #4 Irongail
Race 8: #2 Hinting


Brisbane

Race 6: #2 Startell
Race 7: #10 Teldawn

Hi Umrum,

Must be time to kick off another of your tipping comps. ah ? I mean we need the practice [ put the boot into William ] after last time !

Elvstroem should easily claim the Guineas today for Vasil on a firm surface.

Cheers.

Umrum, Crash etc,

if we do decide to begin a tipping comp I think that some rules should be established so that it will clarify what is required to particpate.

For instance do we consider our selections "all-in" meaning that if you select a horse that is later scratched you lose the wager. If they are not "all-in" how close to the beginning of a race can we alter our tips. Perhaps a Saturday morning deadline should be required.

Just a few thoughts to assist in getting the next tipping comp off the ground and running



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may the horse be with you

Seeker


[ This Message was edited by: Seeker11 on 2004-02-17 09:58 ]

I think perhaps we should have a pure selection tipping comp. No wagering involved. 1 point for a winner, 2 for a second best bet and three for a best bet. Also provide a sub for each tip in case of a scratching. If both your sub and tip are scratched you lose it. I.e

Umrum's Tips

Lonhro* Sub Thorn Park
Sportsman** Sub Zanna
Elvestrom sub Starcraft
Abdullah sub critical list
Mistegic sub spinning Hill

In a perfect world all my tips win. Lonhro earns 3 points as a best bet, Sportsmans earns 2 as a double and the other three win earning one point each. I have a total of 8 points. Any comments/thoughts welcome.

cheers
umrum

Hi all,

My thoughts on the matter of a comp. after thinking on the problems of the last one:

Umrum, your suggestion of a pure tipping comp. is attractive as it would simplify things. The only problem I see is that everyone will tip short priced favorites in races with as few runners as possible. Last spring eg., the value of picking a win on Lohnro at odds-on to win would be the same as picking the win on Turmeric at 36/1 !!!
To be poetic about it, it ignores the 'Bravery at last, richly rewarding' factor.

The only way around the above problem would be tipping on say 5 set races only, but that would create a home state advantage [ punters usually do best on their own familiar tracks ]. Any bet beside win only would also be a problem as far as scoring and subs. go.

For simplicity, I think win only is a good idea though, with bet amounts able to be split among more than one horse in a race. Uni-tab prices and $50 per week on no more than 5 races at any Sat. metro was OK last spring.

The last comp. needed a rule that added a L/scratchings value to the next weeks available bet amount and a penalty for late joiners and those who missed various weeks.

For weeks missed, late comers need to accept the disadvantage of 1 week = $50 loss. The same if a week is missed during the comp. or dropping out early on a high bank. These rules avoids a comp. winner who has hardly played, but had a couple of lucky weeks.

A closing day needs to be set in advance.

Cheers.


[ This Message was edited by: crash on 2004-02-18 04:35 ]

Comp tipsters,

I have to agree with Crash's set up, it encourages greater risk taking as suggested.

However there is no reason that both comps can not run along side one another.


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Seeker

[ This Message was edited by: Seeker11 on 2004-02-18 10:01 ]

Hi Umrum and Crash how you both been keeping.
I would like to be in the next comp :smile:

Tipping Comp:Ideas

* Sat Metro Meetings....(MR-SR-BR-AR-WR)
* Five selections....one from each state.
* Points system....3-First 2-Second 1-Third

NOW IT BECOMES DIFFICULT
* SCRATCHINGS -L/S
* DEAD HEATS
* TIPS REGISTERED BY WHAT TIME
* WHOM WILL BE THE STEWARD
* RULES

And what ever else is needed....Okay... Umrum and crash,thats my contribution. :smile:
Take care
Regards
Will

Hi Will,

Rule 1. Beat William !

Seriously though, I think $50 on up to 5 races anywhere might work out better than 1 in each state as some tracks might be heavy etc. Players can back in their own state or any other.

I still think points are a problem. Eg: 3 points for a horse paying 1.70 versus 3 points for a horse paying say, $27 ? [ a pair equals a full house ??? ].

Just my thoughts though.

Just an 'off the hip" thought.....what about the points system but base it on POT%. eg WINNER (highest pot%) gets 3 points, etc.

Haven't really given it much thought as I'm busy following the races at the moment but toss it around and see how it comes out.