Mooee - that's inspirational stuff, it really is. And those people who scoff, take your lips off one another's a*ses and enjoy Mooee having the balls to publish his voyage of discovery here on the site.

Dr Pangloss - if you were any more of a wan ker you'd be arrested for public indecency. "Wrong. Wrong. Wrong." you said. "Well I thought everyone knew that but it appears there's an odd one out." Mate if you were in a real betting ring, you'd be the odd one out. Not in a long time have I read something so insulting and inexcusably degrading as your appraisal of Mooee's thoughts. Fair dinkum - if I was in the same room as you and you said that to any other person I'd rip you apart, and I don't mean physically. Your narrow mindedness is matched only by your smugness and misplaced self belief. But enough about you, you're a waste of space.

Mooee: don't use track records. They vary greatly. You were on the right path when you said to find average times. What you would be better off doing is finding a reliable track (in Victoria I'd choose Geelong, good class, plenty of racing, always about the same level) find the median (using only the 457m trip of course) for the various grades, and that gives you the difference in lengths between the classes (at Geelong). You can apply those class differences to all the provincial tracks. Next, find the median of all the grade 5's at all the tracks. (use grade 5's because biggest sample size). To all those median times add the difference b/w the G5 and the FFA median times, and you have a STD FFA time for all tracks. Now all you need to do is work out how STRONG or WEAK each of those times is. Obviously, a FFA at Sandown on a Thursday is stronger than a FFA at Wang on a Sat. This part I won't reveal on here but that's something you need to discover. Once you have that, you have a STD FFA time for EVERY track and distance, and a figure for what each of those is worth. The easy way then is to call the Sandown Thursday night and Meadows Saturday night FFA time a 100 (lengths), and to adjust the others accordingly. If you thought track X was 4 lengths inferior to the Sandown FFA, then lower it's FFA std by 4 lengths (0.23 seconds) and you have a time which reflects what a 100 length rater (ie a winner of a Sandown Thursday night FFA in STD time) would rate at that track. Then, you have what you envisioned - a way of comparing all dogs over all distances and all tracks.

Keep me posted with how you're going.