Second here, second ther, second every b* where - I give up I think. NZ racing runs rings around the sort of stuff dished up to us . I haven't worked out a method of evaluating the merit of a horse running 3rd in a field of 5 which is the kind of stuff one has to be thinking about when trying to evaluate local form. Third of 18 says more I think. Anyway, good luck to you all. Long termers will have seen many such fading stars on this forum, no doubt.