Shy & becareful, thanks for that. What has me interested, is a lot of reseach I have done on pre-post favs. i.e. back em all and you lose consistently 10-15% on T/O, the higher the pre-post price the greater the loss on T/O up to 30%.(overall it doesn't seem to matter which publication is used as long as you stick to the same one) You see where I'm heading here?