Well no Kenny, there is nothing really to correct there in those 3 points, as it's your point of view of the mosh pit. Your point 3 is particularly useful for 'jaded' win punters who need a break after enduring a bad run and since my initial post was the reasoning I [initially] had a go at place betting only some time ago as a first effort at it in my life [had a thread on the other forum page going for over 100 races and came out about square for the place but profit for the win only if I had been having win bets, which I wasn't]. It bored me to death.

This time around I added a win component to the place bet [1X6] and have found it profitable, anxiety free and a good rest from win only betting. As for your [brilliant] insight into the obvious: 'win bets and place bets are two entirely different animals' [there is a difference between a win bet and a place bet], yes OK I agree:-)

Your last assertion, well there might be a few full time place bettors here who have no interest in win betting who might strongly disagree, but who am I to stand in the way of letting you shoot your mouth off and put them down as pretend punters or win bet wannabees with no bottle!!??