Can't understand how I missed this post b4, as my main betting is for the place, though like la Mer, any horse that I bet on has actually been "rated" as the winner as a pre-requisite! I'm in profit over 3 years (nearly) but as La Mer knows from my e-mail this is NOT the whole story!! but suffice to say, the MOST important thing is to obtain the BEST return possible, this is what makes the difference between winning or losing (it's THAT close) My plan does show a profit for the win as well ,so EW would also be ok, but as someone said it's that ability to sleep that appeals to the place bettor!

Just realised that I had replied to this one b4, anyway that's my thoughts!