Cheers jfc xanadu zeditive the info and links will keep me busy for a while ill go through them this week to get myself in the picture then next week ill have ago along side of you and c what we can come up with (i think i will be reading your posts for a bit of a while ) as for banning betfair i can see there point but betfair is a good thing as far as im concerned they have tried to say it will ruin racing but its just the same people who have the monopoly.Anyway im not here to put the world to rights but i do like picking and backing winners so thank you all once again and happy gambling cheers k3xsy