you could list half the field in the same boat as those two horses. SERENADE ROSE, RAILINGS, HEADTURNER, GRAND ZULU, AQUA DAMORE, DIZELLE, TESTAFIABLE, ICE CHARIOT & ROMAN ARCH. All have not lived up to the form they have previously produced, and you could make an arguement that Zipping should be in in front of them any day of the week.