thanks everyone for your help. shoto thanks for the link..it will do for me..was only after a rough guide..with so much fluctuation in the market and the time diffrence here(scotland)im not always available to put bets on near the off. just really dont want to lose out too much on prices.chrome prince yes good idea..this whole betfair thing is fabulous, never before have i been able to bet and win with horses priced 40/1+. im sure they must beat tote prices every time.dollar dal well it looks like we got best info here to go on as regards getting price. and i think shoto is right for i done a constant 4hr in depth search and found nowt. good luck all and thanks. graham