Crash, yes of course so that's always the issue, your finger has to be on the button, but as close as I can get, then bet best tote for the place this usually gets it, though not always but sometimes greater so overall it's close to what I want. The other angle is fixed odds of course, not my cuppa, but I can see how some would prefer it i.e. if you can't get overs (for the place fixed) then just ride that one out , rounda bouts and swings an all that. I had a good day on Sat 3 out of 4 the other one? well, I have to admit I fell for the "kid" on Star Escort, burned up early given no chance. Just to rub it in though the other 3 place bets all won! ---T!