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Old 7th October 2003, 12:10 PM
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On 2003-10-07 10:24, crash wrote:
Then you would also believe that a top race car driver would do no better that a average driver in a crappy car ? Don't think so.
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It depends entirely in the ability of the car. Put Skaife in a Torana against the current V8's and see how he goes. But I get what you are driving at now.
The top race driver will finish better than the rookie driver in the Torana, but will he finish in the top three against the current supercars - doubt it greatly I'd give over 100/1.
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Good jocks make mistakes but far less than poor ones. Races are often taken from a great horse with a poor or inexperienced rider by an average horse with a top jock because he/she is making all the right moves and judgements while the poor rider progresses from one poor judgement to another. We see it again and again.


Agree 100%.
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What comes first the chicken or the egg [?],was addressing the notion that top horses make top jockeys. As absurd as top race cars make top drivers from poor ones. Same rationality.


Yes I see your point.
I'll give you my take on it...
It is a chicken or egg scenario.
The jockeys don't get the outstanding rides unless they have proven to be superior in talent prior to obtaining the good horse.
So why would you put a 3kg apprentice from Cranbourne on Northerly for example.
Northerly may win in spite of the jockey, but it's not worth the risk of the apprentice ballsing it up.
I think it's a case of the top jockeys getting the better rides because of inherent talent, if they didn't have it to begin with, then they wouldn't get the better rides. The whole thing is a rolling snowball, so the more opportunites to ride good horses the better the jockey does, but it wouldn't happen as successfully if the jockey didn't already display his prowess.

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My other point was what happens to top jocks when they can only get poor rides [Harry White comes to mind] and as a result get very few winners [and I watched Harry bring home some long priced winners just through riding ability, not wipping ability]. Are they suddenly no longer great Jockeys with ability, or just no longer getting the good rides to demonstrate those abilities ?


Good ole handbrake Harry.
:lol:

Another talent was R.J. Skelton at the longer races, he had the inner judgement far superior to some jockeys over distance.

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After training as a chef I eventualy became a chef de party at a five star hotel but left to own and drive a Melb. Cab [until recently]. Do you think I suddenly became a poor cook when I left the trade ?


Not at all.

By the way,
Are you Jamie (pukka) Oliver?

:lol:

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