Thank you all for your replies. I'll go back to $2 bets and pocket the profits. I can sure do with the money rather than keeping it in my betting account as money at risk. I feel better already. Thank you again. Mr. Quaddie, I may be old but I still have my wits about me. I do know on the tote it is punter versus punter. So thank you for your invitation, but I won't post the rules here and then have hundreds of punters betting the same system selections as me on the tote.