Thanks HEAPS crash. yes makes perfect sense. put it on other thread cause thats where i saw it, didn't see it had it's own thread. New to punting, new to forums too. Found an old copy of a system called MAGICBET by a G. A. Sharp. Dunno what its like, but thinking of havin a crack at it as well. If you know anything about it, would be happy to know your insights. Thanks Mate