thanks crash!!!. will follow the rules and keep it simple mon-fri. using this magicbet one for saturdays only (that's one of its rules anyway). so i'll have a crack tomorrow and start on yours next week. and i just wanna say that i appreciate all your help and advice. been reading over the last closed thread and think its great people like yourself who have studied obviously for years in racing and have a clue can share working ideas and selection methods that obviously work, and personally reckon that anyone who's jealous they haven't come up with something better to share apart from braggin, and wanna turn help/advice forums into a ****ing contest can go to ******y!!! don't need to justify yourself mate. if they can't come up with the same selections everyone else does by following the same rules, then tippin they bit short in the top paddock. cheers mate