It was still an arrogant and stupid thing to try and do a Rising Fast with such a comparably average horse. The fools that backed it after it in the CC after it's run in the Turnbull where it was being shaken along at the 650 deserve to lose money.

Think of the horses he beat as a 3YO - all mediocre.

Think of who he has beat in his 4YO year ... Maldivian, Pompeii Ruler - non winners.

The next person who calls this horse a champion should be severly beaten then shown the dvd of Kingston Town and Manikato. Seems whenever a horse wins a few on the trot these days the champion tag comes out. Whobegotyou is the latest - come on!

Apache Cat was robbed of HOTY 2007/08 by an overhyped soon to be washed up horse. It is the best horse in this country and by a fair way. Love to see it and Weekend Hussler over 1400 next autumn - maybe the Orr Stks. WH will get windburn.