Crackone, yes you are right of course, after I calmed down I did some simple research that showed that the method still stood up over time. Guess it was "London" really; I just knew it was a loser. The other one was a place bet that finished 3rd in a 7 horse race, so there you go, you just have to back the losers in order to get the winners if you see what I mean??. Anyway no worries thanks for your feedback!

A few weeks back I refrained from backing a hot pot for the place as it was showing $1.04c, so thought I would stand the bet,....... ughhhh! the aaaaaa thing won by a street and paid $1.80c for the place (best tote) GRRRRR!