Thanks Thorns, yes that clears it up a bit, bummer though as I wanted to place my bets well b4 racing, but its everyday so will have to think that idea as I just cant sit in front of the comp.. permanently

Anyway thaks for the help, by the way interestingly when I ran the numbers for those same selections for the place, best tote was BETTER than Bet fair by 1&1/2 units wierd.