darkydog, I used to go to the dishlickers 4 or 5 times a week for years and years. I never followed a system back then at all, but a couple of us used to check this one out. There used to be many bookies back in those days so with the 2's on and the 2's against, you could easily get set. I'm not so sure that the starting price today would be the same guide as it was way back. One thing to look at is a slow beginner in box 1. Most of these slow beginners coming from box 1 see the bunny when the lids go up for the first time in a long time and they chase.