Shaun,dont know where you are coming from.The "ELF"cant beat a quality field???What would you call the VRC Derby??A bunch of hackers?IMO he has not run over a suitable distance since that win,2400 is his go,and he will get that in the Derby.I will put my head on the block right now and say that wherever they finish,he will beat Niello home,AND Special Harmony if she starts.Why Freedman would even consider running her against the males in preference to the Oaks against her own sex,where she has been so dominant is beyond me.GREED!If she does run in the Oaks,Timbourina will stretch her neck!