paddy, 5.5 is't much of a start anyway, as the crows have a good record there and the cats are coming back from w.a , might find it a bit hard this week.

Desi, i think the dockers too, but only 4/18 against the eagles does'nt inspire me to plunge on them , even though they seem to be going better than their opposition. Is the loss of gardiner that big a difference, like a johns factor,because when i see him play, they all fire,they beat the lions but since then they have been crap.