"but surely when you say a horse starts favourite it means exactly that."

I was simply saying the bookies set and control the lines, not the public.

"Mr J you are a very negative person."

You have come to that conclusion from just a handful of posts your've read?

You said it yourself:

"Of course tipsters are trying to pick the winner.THATS WHY THEY ARE TIPSTERS."

"It is not the number of winners I am concerned with,but the return made by backing every selection."

Tipsters (I'm talking media here, like the footy show, the tipsters in the paper etc) only try to pick the winner. They don't take value/prices into consideration. So why follow them? Why listen to them?

The opinions you want to place value on are those of sharps (serious & informed bettors who bet with an edge).

Do you really think this will work? Common sense?

"You know about systems,Tell him Sportznut."

Yeh I'm sorry I'm just a mug punter :roll: