4/1 ay.....hmmm that would maybe go along the lines of up to 20 bets in a row and each bet set up to make say....a $10 profit or even a $5 profit with the setup involving each bet made win or lose working out to this profit on every race ,thus resulting something like...........8 consecutive losses then a winner at 4/1 and a total profit at $90 . these are guidelines at present. All that is needed is the formula of bets ....eg: 1st bet $3.50 2nd bet at $8.00 3rd bet at $14.00 etc... these are based on net profits ..... 20 races and 1 winner consistantly ? I think its possible now that we know the strike rate on the 4/1 shot and maybe combine the last start winner from the top of the list as has been discussed earlier ......I must work hard on this over the weekend....let me know the other pitfalls to watch out for