Thanks. I see both points of view here. On the one hand u can use the online neural forms to rank horses pretty quickly, but on the other, what are the formulae they use? And I agree Chief you can get some odd results. I tried the barrier neurals, setting all other factors to 'No'. Bizarre results. Can't see any logic in them at all, except the middle of the field seems higher rated. So just that must cast doubts on the validity of the overall results.