Agree with you there MR J, the lions always have trouble with the swans and i thought the 20pts was too much [in sydney]and the same for 2 struggling clubs collinwood and richmond, again 20 pts seemed too much, i think the bookies are still rating them on last years form [with the pies being grand finalists] and not on FORM this year, i know richmond are ordinary but so are collingwood.

[ This Message was edited by: goldmember on 2004-08-02 13:52 ]