Bhagwan, thanks again, still can't quite get my head around that though. The 29% S/R is taken overall, i.e. if all where selections were backed at level stakes, 29 from 100 win (on average). There is 2 selections per week, so grouping them as one bet it seems very unlikely that I could go for 20 weeks without a single win, but I am prepared to accept the mathes if that is what it says,.... thanks again. NB. the longest run without a win for the last 2 years was 5 (twice)