yep you could be right there about the wheeler bate thing but the bale name definately goes back to Mercia Bale and I dont think they are called Bale for no good reason
I found this
http://users.senet.com.au/~vasileff...verleebale.html
cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Floydyboy on 2004-08-20 06:53 ]