Thanks Merriguy I will have a look at that thread later on. I don't wish to give out too much information at this stage as to how I pick my bets. Firstly because my method may fall in a hole like most do and I don't want to give false hope and secondly if it is a winner then I would rather keep it to myself meantime. I will say this though that it is a combination of factors from the ratings of Tabonline.com.au and nvo.com/racing along with the "prepost" market from tabformthewest.com.au Not sure of the official names of these sites but they are the ones I use.