I am definitely going to have to take another look at this after the day I had. Seriously, I can't believe how many 2nds I had today and most of them were at reasonable place divs of $1.60, $1.70, $1.80. Kenchar, have you changed the way you actually get your selection though? I think you used to go for 3rd or 4th favourite in the early betting markets, didn't you??? Is it at all possible to do anything with pre-post markets for this idea? I note that Instructed was 4th favourite in the paper I have.