I take it you're talking about Secateurs and Super Elegant. Secateurs was not rating that highly on my speed figures, and his best rating on Ozeform was just 61.5 kg, which is a lowly 90 on my ratings scale. I rated Super on a base of 106. Even allowing for improvement the 3yo was never going to be top rated in my book.

In regards to Hcps, as a general rule the big Hcps usually rate much higher than WFA races, imo.