For some saints fans in earlier post to say that they are at the start of an era, get real. They have won 1 premiership and when they had Breen, Lawrence, Roberts, Ditterich, McIntosh, Payze, Cowboy Neale and others they were as good as team as now and made top finals quite regularly, but wait till they win 1 flag before talk of an era.

I am a magpie fan and definately not a port fan, but why with their talented list with Francou and Primus back - wouldn't they be firm favourites. With a bit of local inside knowledge on how they are shaping I also like Brissy still and believe that the Swans will have another big year with Jolly to help ball and a lot of their star players are injury free for once.

I am going to lay Saints on any betting market I can find to lay sides as still believe that defence is very suspect and that frasier won't have same impact and everyone will expect Nick to carry them.

Also Bombers are no hope, Lloyd only forward, no rucks, defence leaks like a sieve and Heard can't do everything.

After picking winner in 3 for 5 yrs and backing them, out go Saints --its Port, Swans or Lions for me.

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