The " public' only become losersbecause that are betting into pools that are 15-30 % against them. The public on average lose 10-15 % backing favourites. If they were betting into 100% markets they might actually show A SMALL PROFIT ON THE FAVOURED RUNNERS so to call them losers is inaccurate. It is only the greed of the governments and bookies that keep them down. I agree with crash, Ive tried various rating systems over the years, they all through up thefavourites and only rarely something at half decent odds. They dont want to ruin their " amazing strike rates" giving you too many roughies to back. And when you ask about why your still losing $ they tell you your not backingthem correctly. ( their world famous staking plan). At least with betfair I have turned small losses into small gains by increasing the odds I get by about 20% on averag, compared to other betting organisations. Neil. please dont term the public losers in order to indirectly promote your products.