Yeah I agree. Problem is of course there's no benefit to anyone to provide free ratings or tips. Advertising on web pages etc ain't enough in a localised punting environment like Australia's. People have to charge for the info. As you said, Experftform are now charging for their info, other's simply not providing it at all. I guess the thing that needs to be asked is if you have to pay for something, be sure and find a product worth paying for. If you want to do the form yourself (admirable, better than taking someone's tips at face value), find a service that gives you great, reliable info for not too high a price. There are mobs about who are like that. ******************** provide a great product with their video comments and superform and speed maps, and when they introduce ratings they'll have an all round complete package, an exceptional way to do the form. Racenet's package is good too, but isn't produced everywhere. I know a couple of very serious punters who subscribe to TRB, they do a great job. You may have to determine exactly what you want, find the right product at the right price, and make sure you punt properly so you can win and therefore justify the fee.

It's either that or do what I did - build you own database, but that has been a HELL of a lot of work, and I still have to pay a subscription fee to get the results and fields anyway. Back at the same thing - hard to get anything GOOD for free. At least not for long anyway.

Cheers.